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Why do you assume it's the upbringing? It could be any kind of brain injury, in utero or post birth, heavy metal poisoning or simply genetic. This kind of behav

Why do you assume it's the upbringing? It could be any kind of brain injury, in utero or post birth, heavy metal poisoning or simply genetic. This kind of behavior does not strike me as learned but rather as a deficiency. On top of that the defendant looks rather dumb.

jyrkesh 5y ago
I would assume it's the upbringing because I don't think impulse control is actually a very natural behavior. There's a reason it's called "primal rage". On the flip side, self-control, impulse control, being able to manage your emotions with a toolbox: these are skills that are learned, honed, and mastered. Sure, many people learn them through other means than from their parents, often as a survival necessity in their environments, but I don't think that e.g. the people who fly off the handle and get into a bar fight when someone's hitting on their girlfriend, are doing so because of heavy metal poisoning or genetics.
- himinlomax 5y ago
  It's part of social functioning, and we obviously have genes for that purpose. Other social animals have comparable instincts, such as respect for dominance hierarchies among others.
  - denton-scratch 5y ago
    > and we obviously have genes for that purpose That's far from obvious. You can't just observe some trait in an organism, and conclude "that must have genetic origins".
- navjack27 5y ago
  > self-control, impulse control, being able to manage your emotions with a toolbox: these are skills that are learned, honed, and mastered. I got news for ya bub. They aren't learned. They can be honed to a small degree. They cannot be mastered. When you have ADHD you realize this. And to your last thing. Not in all cases but in some.
  - corin_ 5y ago
    Surely having ADHD would only give insight into whether it can be learned by someone with (that type of) ADHD, it doesn't speak to whether it's natural or learned for other people - just as someone who has a physical disability not being able to learn to ride a bike wouldn't prove that riding a bike can't be learned? (I'm not arguing for or against the point that they can be learned, just against the "proof" that someone with ADHD has - and not because of ADHD specifically, but because generally speaking any argument which relies on "my experience proves X about humans" is likely to be short-sighted.)

jyrkesh 5y ago

I would assume it's the upbringing because I don't think impulse control is actually a very natural behavior. There's a reason it's called "primal rage". On the flip side, self-control, impulse control, being able to manage your emotions with a toolbox: these are skills that are learned, honed, and mastered. Sure, many people learn them through other means than from their parents, often as a survival necessity in their environments, but I don't think that e.g. the people who fly off the handle and get into a bar fight when someone's hitting on their girlfriend, are doing so because of heavy metal poisoning or genetics.

himinlomax 5y ago
It's part of social functioning, and we obviously have genes for that purpose. Other social animals have comparable instincts, such as respect for dominance hierarchies among others.
- denton-scratch 5y ago
  > and we obviously have genes for that purpose That's far from obvious. You can't just observe some trait in an organism, and conclude "that must have genetic origins".
navjack27 5y ago
> self-control, impulse control, being able to manage your emotions with a toolbox: these are skills that are learned, honed, and mastered. I got news for ya bub. They aren't learned. They can be honed to a small degree. They cannot be mastered. When you have ADHD you realize this. And to your last thing. Not in all cases but in some.
- corin_ 5y ago
  Surely having ADHD would only give insight into whether it can be learned by someone with (that type of) ADHD, it doesn't speak to whether it's natural or learned for other people - just as someone who has a physical disability not being able to learn to ride a bike wouldn't prove that riding a bike can't be learned? (I'm not arguing for or against the point that they can be learned, just against the "proof" that someone with ADHD has - and not because of ADHD specifically, but because generally speaking any argument which relies on "my experience proves X about humans" is likely to be short-sighted.)