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This is going in the wrong direction. Government shouldn't be imposing regulations on monopolistic app stores when competition can naturally break the monopolie

by bloppe 5y ago

This is going in the wrong direction. Government shouldn't be imposing regulations on monopolistic app stores when competition can naturally break the monopolies and bring them in line with developer and consumer needs. Let there be multiple app stores, charging developers competitive fees and implementing competitive security and convenience features. Don't let the platform favor any particular app store, or raise barriers to app mobility between stores. See how long 30% fees and hostile policies last when any developer can just upload their apps to another store with minimal modifications, and any consumer can easily use that store.

threeseed 5y ago
> See how long 30% fees and hostile policies last And then see how the ecosystem degrades to the lowest common denominator and we re-enter the Windows 95 era. Race to build malware apps, virus and malware checker apps to prevent the malware etc.
- 10000truths 5y ago
  That lowest common denominator already exists in official app stores. There are huge swathes of garbage apps that try to scam you with expensive subscriptions/MTX, use shady ad networks that push more garbage apps on you, ask for every permission under the sun for no other reason than to collect data on you, etc.
- dalbasal 5y ago
  At this point, I'll take malware over monopoly. There's a lot at stake here. That said, I think it's unlikely to get as bad as W95.
dalbasal 5y ago
I wouldn't call that the "wrong direction." What you are suggesting is applying the same logic to App stores that they're applying to payments. That's more likely, not less, if this legislation goes through in SK and gets copied by other countries. So, same direction. FWIW, I think payments are an easier place to make progress. It's hard to imagine an alternative app store taking off in response to a single countries' laws. Even if it did, a diverse app store market kind of negates the app store concept entirely. At that point, you may as well return to the old ways. Alternative payment options will be immediately utilized by devs. The market can support lots of them, and prices will quickly respond to competition. If users and devs have choice, market prices will be nowhere near 30%. I'd be surprised if it's >10% for long.
collaborative 5y ago
While different App Stores is preferable, this actually is a big improvement for users and developers alike Many users simply don't want to share their payment details with App Stores because they don't like "one payment serves all" setups. They want to be asked each time for their payment details because they feel that gives them control Likewise, many users already have payment arrangements with providers like Paypal that they trust, and don't want to add one more trusted payment provider to their list As a developer, I want to offer all options to users - App Store payment, Paypal, CC, and anything else So I like where this law is going, and I have no doubt it increases the chances of other legislations imposing further "restrictions on what is not allowed" on mobile devices

by bloppe 5y ago

threeseed 5y ago

> See how long 30% fees and hostile policies last And then see how the ecosystem degrades to the lowest common denominator and we re-enter the Windows 95 era. Race to build malware apps, virus and malware checker apps to prevent the malware etc.

10000truths 5y ago
That lowest common denominator already exists in official app stores. There are huge swathes of garbage apps that try to scam you with expensive subscriptions/MTX, use shady ad networks that push more garbage apps on you, ask for every permission under the sun for no other reason than to collect data on you, etc.
dalbasal 5y ago
At this point, I'll take malware over monopoly. There's a lot at stake here. That said, I think it's unlikely to get as bad as W95.

dalbasal 5y ago

I wouldn't call that the "wrong direction." What you are suggesting is applying the same logic to App stores that they're applying to payments. That's more likely, not less, if this legislation goes through in SK and gets copied by other countries. So, same direction. FWIW, I think payments are an easier place to make progress. It's hard to imagine an alternative app store taking off in response to a single countries' laws. Even if it did, a diverse app store market kind of negates the app store concept entirely. At that point, you may as well return to the old ways. Alternative payment options will be immediately utilized by devs. The market can support lots of them, and prices will quickly respond to competition. If users and devs have choice, market prices will be nowhere near 30%. I'd be surprised if it's >10% for long.

collaborative 5y ago

While different App Stores is preferable, this actually is a big improvement for users and developers alike Many users simply don't want to share their payment details with App Stores because they don't like "one payment serves all" setups. They want to be asked each time for their payment details because they feel that gives them control Likewise, many users already have payment arrangements with providers like Paypal that they trust, and don't want to add one more trusted payment provider to their list As a developer, I want to offer all options to users - App Store payment, Paypal, CC, and anything else So I like where this law is going, and I have no doubt it increases the chances of other legislations imposing further "restrictions on what is not allowed" on mobile devices