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How do you explain optical phenomena such as the viral dress phenomenon then? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_dress#Real_colours_of_dress_confirmed https://e

How do you explain optical phenomena such as the viral dress phenomenon then? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_dress#Real_colours_of_dress_confirmed https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_dress#Real_colours_of_dres...

jacquesm 5y ago
That is based on the color of the illumination and this of course affects the perceived color. It's the difference between emitted and reflected light, but in the case of a comparison with musical notes it would be fair to only use emitted light. There is no exact equivalent to reflected light with its own color illuminating a colored drawing. Though it would be interesting to see if such a thing could be constructed somehow artificially using a device that receives sounds and then somehow frequency shifts them before emitting them again. That would be a fun experiment!
- forrestthewoods 5y ago
  > It's the difference between emitted and reflected light Wat? Everyone who observed that optical illusion did so by observing it on an emitted light panel. Color perception is entirely relative. There are countless images that demonstrate this. For example: http://www.optical-illusionist.com/illusions/same-color-illusion http://www.optical-illusionist.com/illusions/same-color-illu... When we perceive emitted light color we’re also perceiving RGB emissions that are blended. I love giant LED panels that when you get close you can clearly see the individual colors. It’s a trip. Humans are horrible (incapable?) at evaluating absolute color. It’s entirely relative.
  - jacquesm 5y ago
    Ah ok, that's simply an optical illusion. The brain is full of pre-processing that you can mess with in order to trick it to see things that aren't there and to shift colors around as well as to play with figure-background. But that is a case of 'bad faith', you could do the same for audio illusions, it wouldn't help to draw any further equivalence between the visual and the auditory system. Both work on the perception of waves with a certain periodic repetition but there the equivalence ends, there is no such thing as 'timbre' in vision, we simply don't work with harmonics there and the shape of the wave in sound is very important and non existent in vision (you can see a single photon in sufficiently dark adapted conditions, your eye as a fundamental particle detector!).
    - nautilius 5y ago
      You may want to amend your original statement "Of course we can. Everybody that isn't somehow colorblind can reliably distinguish between a basic number of colors [...]" then, because clearly that's not the case as you state yourself.
- ikura 5y ago
  I think a Ring Modulator might have some equivalence. Depending on the frequency you set it to the ability to accurately detect the frequency of the input notes can diminish quite drastically.
- nautilius 5y ago
  But then still everyone would have the identical misconception. Clearly, that was not the case.
nitrogen 5y ago
Part of that was variations in displays. Cheap laptop LCDs especially crush white levels and black levels if not viewed from exactly the right angle.

jacquesm 5y ago

That is based on the color of the illumination and this of course affects the perceived color. It's the difference between emitted and reflected light, but in the case of a comparison with musical notes it would be fair to only use emitted light. There is no exact equivalent to reflected light with its own color illuminating a colored drawing. Though it would be interesting to see if such a thing could be constructed somehow artificially using a device that receives sounds and then somehow frequency shifts them before emitting them again. That would be a fun experiment!

forrestthewoods 5y ago
> It's the difference between emitted and reflected light Wat? Everyone who observed that optical illusion did so by observing it on an emitted light panel. Color perception is entirely relative. There are countless images that demonstrate this. For example: http://www.optical-illusionist.com/illusions/same-color-illusion http://www.optical-illusionist.com/illusions/same-color-illu... When we perceive emitted light color we’re also perceiving RGB emissions that are blended. I love giant LED panels that when you get close you can clearly see the individual colors. It’s a trip. Humans are horrible (incapable?) at evaluating absolute color. It’s entirely relative.
- jacquesm 5y ago
  Ah ok, that's simply an optical illusion. The brain is full of pre-processing that you can mess with in order to trick it to see things that aren't there and to shift colors around as well as to play with figure-background. But that is a case of 'bad faith', you could do the same for audio illusions, it wouldn't help to draw any further equivalence between the visual and the auditory system. Both work on the perception of waves with a certain periodic repetition but there the equivalence ends, there is no such thing as 'timbre' in vision, we simply don't work with harmonics there and the shape of the wave in sound is very important and non existent in vision (you can see a single photon in sufficiently dark adapted conditions, your eye as a fundamental particle detector!).
  - nautilius 5y ago
    You may want to amend your original statement "Of course we can. Everybody that isn't somehow colorblind can reliably distinguish between a basic number of colors [...]" then, because clearly that's not the case as you state yourself.
ikura 5y ago
I think a Ring Modulator might have some equivalence. Depending on the frequency you set it to the ability to accurately detect the frequency of the input notes can diminish quite drastically.
nautilius 5y ago
But then still everyone would have the identical misconception. Clearly, that was not the case.

nitrogen 5y ago

Part of that was variations in displays. Cheap laptop LCDs especially crush white levels and black levels if not viewed from exactly the right angle.