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I'm not disputing that there is a link between fines and poverty or between poverty and crime. But I can't fathom how 5% of assaults and burglaries are a direct
by Stupulous 5y ago
I'm not disputing that there is a link between fines and poverty or between poverty and crime. But I can't fathom how 5% of assaults and burglaries are a direct result of getting a fine in the last two months. Even in your perfect storm story, it's three or four months before you commit a crime. If you got fined before the slowdown, the fine still applies and still doubles. If you would have been fined during the slowdown but aren't, you would have had a month to pay anyway. You can also set up a payment plan to pay your fine over a period of a couple years.
I don't doubt that some small portion of the effect is exactly this. But 5% reduction in a month seems like far too much. I'm not even sure if there was a big reduction in fines- how many fines come out of proactive policing?
I don't know, it's not totally impossible. It just seems less likely than the null hypothesis of random variation in the data, while a more direct relationship could compete.
- SubiculumCode 5y agoThis is a good point that I missed in the article. I was thinking that the reduction in crime occurred over a relatively long period of time, say a couple of years. I see now it was little over a month. Frankly that is not enough time for what I laid out, or enough time with ideas of under-reporting because everyone knows the police won't do anything because of their slow down. So I am not sure what it is.