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I'll preface this by saying I'm an IBM employee. That being said your comment rubbed me the wrong way... > wouldn't you rather support Docker vs IBM (Redhat->P

I'll preface this by saying I'm an IBM employee. That being said your comment rubbed me the wrong way... > wouldn't you rather support Docker vs IBM (Redhat->Podman)? Podman is an open source product and Docker is not. I'd much rather support an open source project. And what's wrong with "supporting" IBM anyways? Did they hurt you in some way???

syshum 5y ago
Docker is not really a product, Docker is a company with in that there are several products, some are open source some are not. The Docker Engine is Apache License and open source.
toomuchtodo 5y ago
> And what's wrong with "supporting" IBM anyways? Did they hurt you in some way??? They are a dysfunctional consultancy masquerading as a technology firm, running on inertia. They are not to be supported. (Also, my genuine condolences) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24228972 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24228972 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26532125 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26532125 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26869877 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26869877 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22224782 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22224782 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23268191 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23268191 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27706128 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27706128 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24471903 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24471903
- stuff4ben 5y ago
  FWIW, we've divested/spun off the "consultancy" part. And not every part of IBM is bad, there are a ton of great developers and teams that work here, no condolences needed. I quite enjoy doing what I do here. Lots of innovation in multiple areas, but I guess if you have to drink the startup koolaid prevalent here on HN, be my guest.
  - toomuchtodo 5y ago
    I'm not at a startup nor drink the koolaid [1]. I am a consultant, so I get to see how the sausage is made across a wide variety of orgs. In my long tenure in tech (20+ years), I have arrived at evangelizing and encouraging engineering first and data driven organizations; in my experience, that provides the best environment for technologists to have autonomy, while pursuing mastery and purpose (which, hopefully, enables some amount of fulfillment alongside financial compensation). IBM is not such an org, hence my comment(s), but there are startups, enterprises, and a fat middle of SMB businesses that truly are innovative and can demonstrate results to back up that description of themselves. TLDR I want the best experience for my fellow technologists and engineers. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28181703 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28181703
    - stuff4ben 5y ago
      Looks like you've had problems with IBM consultants, I'll grant you that, but I don't dabble in that side of the business. In my 20+ years of professional experience I have seen it all when it comes to software development and IT service management. From small startup shops barely knowing how to manage Java dependencies, to ecommerce shops doing millions of dollars a day in sales, to large enterprises being among the first adopters of Kubernetes. To lump all of one company into a single disparaging statement is disingenuous. TLDR; your comment is stupid.
chucksta 5y ago
Many people in many ways
nonameiguess 5y ago
Docker Desktop is not open source, but the Docker container engine is. Also, runc, which is the actual container runtime, is not only open source, but was created by docker but is also what gets used by podman. podman is very nearly just a fork with the daemon and socket removed, which would not have been possible if docker hadn't been open source.

syshum 5y ago

Docker is not really a product, Docker is a company with in that there are several products, some are open source some are not. The Docker Engine is Apache License and open source.

toomuchtodo 5y ago

> And what's wrong with "supporting" IBM anyways? Did they hurt you in some way??? They are a dysfunctional consultancy masquerading as a technology firm, running on inertia. They are not to be supported. (Also, my genuine condolences) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24228972 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24228972 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26532125 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26532125 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26869877 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26869877 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22224782 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22224782 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23268191 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23268191 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27706128 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27706128 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24471903 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24471903

stuff4ben 5y ago
FWIW, we've divested/spun off the "consultancy" part. And not every part of IBM is bad, there are a ton of great developers and teams that work here, no condolences needed. I quite enjoy doing what I do here. Lots of innovation in multiple areas, but I guess if you have to drink the startup koolaid prevalent here on HN, be my guest.
- toomuchtodo 5y ago
  I'm not at a startup nor drink the koolaid [1]. I am a consultant, so I get to see how the sausage is made across a wide variety of orgs. In my long tenure in tech (20+ years), I have arrived at evangelizing and encouraging engineering first and data driven organizations; in my experience, that provides the best environment for technologists to have autonomy, while pursuing mastery and purpose (which, hopefully, enables some amount of fulfillment alongside financial compensation). IBM is not such an org, hence my comment(s), but there are startups, enterprises, and a fat middle of SMB businesses that truly are innovative and can demonstrate results to back up that description of themselves. TLDR I want the best experience for my fellow technologists and engineers. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28181703 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28181703
  - stuff4ben 5y ago
    Looks like you've had problems with IBM consultants, I'll grant you that, but I don't dabble in that side of the business. In my 20+ years of professional experience I have seen it all when it comes to software development and IT service management. From small startup shops barely knowing how to manage Java dependencies, to ecommerce shops doing millions of dollars a day in sales, to large enterprises being among the first adopters of Kubernetes. To lump all of one company into a single disparaging statement is disingenuous. TLDR; your comment is stupid.

chucksta 5y ago

Many people in many ways

nonameiguess 5y ago

Docker Desktop is not open source, but the Docker container engine is. Also, runc, which is the actual container runtime, is not only open source, but was created by docker but is also what gets used by podman. podman is very nearly just a fork with the daemon and socket removed, which would not have been possible if docker hadn't been open source.