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Overall if they want to charge for their product that's fine. I just hate the model of release free or really permissible application, wait for widespread adopt

by kcb 5y ago

Overall if they want to charge for their product that's fine. I just hate the model of release free or really permissible application, wait for widespread adoption, then tighten clamp. For what it's worth they've lost my business there.

codyogden 5y ago
I want to coin it as “embrace, extend, extort.”
- cyral 5y ago
  Very accurate for a lot of companies like this lately. Consider it coined.
  - deleted 5y ago
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  - pjmlp 5y ago
    Nah, newer generations rediscovering the concept of shareware and trial/demo versions.
    - kcb 5y ago
      Not really. Shareware, Trials, Demos all come with the expectation that if you want to utilize them fully you will eventually need to pay.
    - Rexxar 5y ago
      The (big) difference is honesty. You know you should pay at some point in future if you use shareware/trial/demo and find it useful.
- benbristow 5y ago
  Same with Telerik Fiddler recently. Good piece of software for debugging network requests on Windows. Was free for as long as I've known it existed. Telerik recently bought by 'Progress' (ironic), software re-written in Electron and now charges a subscription to use it. Glad HTTP Toolkit is now available free for 'hobbyist' tasks - https://httptoolkit.tech/ https://httptoolkit.tech/
  - pimterry 5y ago
    I'm the author of HTTP Toolkit! Just ran into this by chance, glad you like it :-D I should mention here: not only is the core product all free, it's also completely open source, even including the paid bits (https://github.com/httptoolkit https://github.com/httptoolkit). And those Pro features are completely free for all contributors to the project. I've tried to set it up so I couldn't run off with it and force everybody to start paying even if I wanted to, but any suggestions for further improvements there very welcome.
    - stavros 5y ago
      I love you.
      - pimterry 5y ago
        Oh Stavros you flirt.
        stavros 5y ago
        You know it bb :flutters eyelashes:
    - benbristow 5y ago
      What a coincidence. It's a really nice bit of software. Thanks for creating it! I was very, very impressed when I opened the Android mode and my Genymotion emulator just opened automatically with the VPN app and connected.
  - radus 5y ago
    Wow great rec!
  - canti 5y ago
    Thank you for the recommendation! I've been looking for a good Fiddler alternative, I'll have to check this out.
  - sebazzz 5y ago
eikenberry 5y ago
Docker desktop was never really free, as in free software, was it? If so, then it was always a proprietary app and they were always in control. IE. the clamp was always tight.
- chrisseaton 5y ago
  It was free of charge.
  - eikenberry 5y ago
    Which is why being free of charge isn't really the point of free software.
    - chrisseaton 5y ago
      But not everyone cares about 'libre' software, or thinks the simple descriptive term 'free' should be co-opted in discussions like you are.
pjmlp 5y ago
It used to be called shareware.
TeeMassive 5y ago
I often get laughed at when I say we should backup every tools/repositories/packages through a proxy and use only that in our internal processes. I also get scolded at making use our Dockerfiles only calls scripts a developer can use on his own machine or any other container manager once the "too good to be free" tech of the decade goes full Oracle on us. Then everyone panics when a critical build stops working because some apt repository of some decades old distros is unplugged or some shell script piped directly to bash goes dark (or someone with a bit of security common sense rightfully has a panic attack) and we have to salvage it using some ex-employees backup images. This is also why I just don't say I do devops because it just gets to a point where the "devops guys" are just the people you give the dirty jobs nobody wanna do.

by kcb 5y ago

codyogden 5y ago

I want to coin it as “embrace, extend, extort.”

cyral 5y ago
Very accurate for a lot of companies like this lately. Consider it coined.
- deleted 5y ago
  [deleted]
- pjmlp 5y ago
  Nah, newer generations rediscovering the concept of shareware and trial/demo versions.
  - kcb 5y ago
    Not really. Shareware, Trials, Demos all come with the expectation that if you want to utilize them fully you will eventually need to pay.
  - Rexxar 5y ago
    The (big) difference is honesty. You know you should pay at some point in future if you use shareware/trial/demo and find it useful.
benbristow 5y ago
Same with Telerik Fiddler recently. Good piece of software for debugging network requests on Windows. Was free for as long as I've known it existed. Telerik recently bought by 'Progress' (ironic), software re-written in Electron and now charges a subscription to use it. Glad HTTP Toolkit is now available free for 'hobbyist' tasks - https://httptoolkit.tech/ https://httptoolkit.tech/
- pimterry 5y ago
  I'm the author of HTTP Toolkit! Just ran into this by chance, glad you like it :-D I should mention here: not only is the core product all free, it's also completely open source, even including the paid bits (https://github.com/httptoolkit https://github.com/httptoolkit). And those Pro features are completely free for all contributors to the project. I've tried to set it up so I couldn't run off with it and force everybody to start paying even if I wanted to, but any suggestions for further improvements there very welcome.
  - stavros 5y ago
    I love you.
    - pimterry 5y ago
      Oh Stavros you flirt.
      - stavros 5y ago
        You know it bb :flutters eyelashes:
  - benbristow 5y ago
    What a coincidence. It's a really nice bit of software. Thanks for creating it! I was very, very impressed when I opened the Android mode and my Genymotion emulator just opened automatically with the VPN app and connected.
- radus 5y ago
  Wow great rec!
- canti 5y ago
  Thank you for the recommendation! I've been looking for a good Fiddler alternative, I'll have to check this out.
- sebazzz 5y ago

eikenberry 5y ago

Docker desktop was never really free, as in free software, was it? If so, then it was always a proprietary app and they were always in control. IE. the clamp was always tight.

chrisseaton 5y ago
It was free of charge.
- eikenberry 5y ago
  Which is why being free of charge isn't really the point of free software.
  - chrisseaton 5y ago
    But not everyone cares about 'libre' software, or thinks the simple descriptive term 'free' should be co-opted in discussions like you are.

pjmlp 5y ago

It used to be called shareware.

TeeMassive 5y ago

I often get laughed at when I say we should backup every tools/repositories/packages through a proxy and use only that in our internal processes. I also get scolded at making use our Dockerfiles only calls scripts a developer can use on his own machine or any other container manager once the "too good to be free" tech of the decade goes full Oracle on us. Then everyone panics when a critical build stops working because some apt repository of some decades old distros is unplugged or some shell script piped directly to bash goes dark (or someone with a bit of security common sense rightfully has a panic attack) and we have to salvage it using some ex-employees backup images. This is also why I just don't say I do devops because it just gets to a point where the "devops guys" are just the people you give the dirty jobs nobody wanna do.