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Am I the only one who really enjoys Windows 11 so far? I use the beta daily and it has been quite reliable and way more snappy than W10 on my Thinkpad. I really

Am I the only one who really enjoys Windows 11 so far? I use the beta daily and it has been quite reliable and way more snappy than W10 on my Thinkpad. I really like the new UI which feels more modern and harmonic, settings are finally cohesive and uncluttered (Control Panel is still in there somewhere but why should I care?). Animations are snappy, the window management is improved, new GPU accelerated Terminal is really nice, WSL has GUI support and even some Cuda now. It really feels like a nice mix between Mac OS and Linux (with WSL) so I really don‘t get all the hate. Does it have tons of telemetry, cruft from 20 years in the kernel and some rough edges? Sure! Is the hardware requirements a bit ridiculous? Sure! But I think it is a nice OS that feels very productive and provides me with tons of value. And it is so much easier on the eyes wich I care about a lot. To each their own I guess but it sometimes feels a bit depressing how HN crowd trashes every OS. (I feel its similar with MacOS and Linux) Is everyone here still using C64, Windows 2000 or OS9 because it „was the last good system“?

nailer 5y ago
Win+Z tiling is a life changer. Nice to see Terminal is now part of the OS too.
hdjjhhvvhga 5y ago
> Does it have tons of telemetry. . .? Sure! I'm somehow unable to identify the moment where the computer stopped being your kingdom and we started to happily share access to it with various companies. It was not always like this! I remember repeatedly clicking "no" when Windows 98 politely asked if I agree to send a bug report to Microsoft.
- hypothesis 5y ago
  It was definitely when one agreed to use Windows 10, if we’re talking about MS operating systems.
- fartcannon 5y ago
  No one sensible is happy about it. Many are happily being paid to promote Win11 in a fake grass roots kinda way. Microsoft has admitted to gaming Hackernews and yet hacker news continues to permit their submarine advertisements.
  - bguebert 5y ago
    >Microsoft has admitted to gaming Hackernews This is interesting. Where did you see that?
    - fartcannon 5y ago
      https://sg.finance.yahoo.com/news/microsoft-corp-msft-q1-201 https://sg.finance.yahoo.com/news/microsoft-corp-msft-q1-201... "In fact, this morning, I was reading a news article in Hacker News, which is a community where we have been working hard to make sure that Azure is growing in popularity and I was pleasantly surprised to see that we have made a lot of progress..."
      - hdjjhhvvhga 5y ago
        This is an extremely important piece of information. It made me sad at first, because I'd expect that smart people (that includes dang & pg, not only the users) are harder to game. Nevertheless, when you take into account almost limitless resources Microsoft has, it's no wonder they managed to influence the discussion here. Specifically, HN is the main place where I hear the voices that MS completely changed, that they have nothing to do with their misbehavior from the 90s - which seems a bit naïve at least. In any case, it's good to remember that whenever any MS-related topic comes up.
  - jeffalo 5y ago
    > Microsoft has admitted to gaming Hackernews This sounds interesting. Please elaborate!
- enkrs 5y ago
  There is another comment in this thread about how “Microsoft has put lipstick on a pig and hasn’t made what the users actally need”. Quite opposite - we can be sure that Microsoft have focused on what features to develop for Win11 based on telemetry data from Win10. Whats so bad about that? (Sadly, turns out what the majority needs is not realy what the small tech crowd “needs”) I’ve never really understood the outrage. Win11 IS the culmination of Win10 telemetry data. In the “good old days”, when we drove to fix our cars to a dealer- they catalogued how worn out are some parts together with mileage. To know which ones to improve for next models. How is this different than telemetry? Or new?
  - JohnFen 5y ago
    I am pretty well convinced that the use of telemetry has had a net-negative effect on software development. Not that the use of telemetry data is inherently bad, but that so many companies appear to use it nearly exclusively, and tend to draw conclusions from it that are questionable.
- OrgNet 5y ago
  > I'm somehow unable to identify the moment where the computer stopped being your kingdom Phones started it, and Windows 10 followed (That's when I stopped using Windows). The only reason my kid still have a Windows PC is Roblox (but it is starting to work pretty well in Linux).
forgotmypw17 5y ago
I,m still using Windows ME and Word 97 for writing work, because everything else feels clunky, fat, and unrefined. For programming work, after many years of Windows and Mac, I,ve moved on to environments which do not force changes on me. When my WORKSTATION is concerned, I just can,t tolerate unsolicited ,,improvements,,.
smoldesu 5y ago
It would frankly be difficult for them to downgrade Windows at this point, at least in my opinion. Microsoft did 'the right thing' here by taking design cues from more streamlined OSes like ChromeOS while deriving it's visual style from the frosted-glass infatuation that MacOS is famous for. It's a surprisingly happy medium that iterates quite successfully on it's core product. The reason I'm not using it though? I switched to Linux 2 years ago, and I wouldn't come back for all the software upgrades in the world. The issues with Windows run incredibly deep (for my use cases) and Microsoft's inability to slaughter any sacred cows has left an extreme disparity between cruft and class, as you pointed out. I'm just too tired of putting up with Windows to give it more of my time. I'm glad that it's starting to look and feel better though, it's an important step in the right direction for their 'core audience', so to speak.
fartcannon 5y ago
Microsoft and its secretions are a special kind of bad. For a while, Mac's were 'new' to a lot of people, but they're quickly becoming the OS your mom uses to check facebook. Linux will forever be the nerd OS, and that's a double edged sword. BSD, as you know, is fictional.
Joker_vD 5y ago
I still use Windows 7 and it works absolutely fine. Really.
AnIdiotOnTheNet 5y ago
> Am I the only one who really enjoys Windows 11 so far? Probably not, but consider that people have a lot of different use cases for their computer and a lot of different priorities and Microsoft has been pretty consistent lately about ignoring pretty much any of them that aren't "I really wish my desktop were a clunky tablet". > I really like the new UI which feels more modern and harmonic Subjective, but feeling more modern is precisely the opposite of what I want in a UI. Modern means slow and cumbersome with lots of wasted space, sparse options, and unreadable widgets. > Control Panel is still in there somewhere but why should I care? Control Panel had nothing wrong with it and probably still has settings options that are missing from the new ones? > new GPU accelerated Terminal is really nice It's performance is remarkably terrible for something that's GPU accelerated. Casey Muratori has said a lot about it. https://github.com/cmuratori/termbench https://github.com/cmuratori/termbench and https://github.com/cmuratori/refterm https://github.com/cmuratori/refterm were a result. It doesn't mean a lot in terms of quality of Windows 11, I just think it is a good illustration of modern Windows team's development practices. > Does it have tons of telemetry, cruft from 20 years in the kernel and some rough edges? Cruft is fine because it is there for backwards compat, which is huge for a tone of desktop use cases. Linux Kernel has a ton of cruft too for the same reason. Telemetry is bullshit and wastes my computer's resources to effectively spy on me. > Is the hardware requirements a bit ridiculous? The hardware requirements are very ridiculous. Windows 11 is not revolutionary, but somehow manages to require twice the minimum specs of ten in some metrics, and a TPM module. > To each their own I guess but it sometimes feels a bit depressing how HN crowd trashes every OS. They all have problems, big problems, so they all deserve it. I find it more remarkable that people consistently try to say that everything is actually ok! > Is everyone here still using C64, Windows 2000 or OS9 because it „was the last good system“? God I wish they were still viable.

nailer 5y ago

Win+Z tiling is a life changer. Nice to see Terminal is now part of the OS too.

hdjjhhvvhga 5y ago

> Does it have tons of telemetry. . .? Sure! I'm somehow unable to identify the moment where the computer stopped being your kingdom and we started to happily share access to it with various companies. It was not always like this! I remember repeatedly clicking "no" when Windows 98 politely asked if I agree to send a bug report to Microsoft.

hypothesis 5y ago
It was definitely when one agreed to use Windows 10, if we’re talking about MS operating systems.
fartcannon 5y ago
No one sensible is happy about it. Many are happily being paid to promote Win11 in a fake grass roots kinda way. Microsoft has admitted to gaming Hackernews and yet hacker news continues to permit their submarine advertisements.
- bguebert 5y ago
  >Microsoft has admitted to gaming Hackernews This is interesting. Where did you see that?
  - fartcannon 5y ago
    https://sg.finance.yahoo.com/news/microsoft-corp-msft-q1-201 https://sg.finance.yahoo.com/news/microsoft-corp-msft-q1-201... "In fact, this morning, I was reading a news article in Hacker News, which is a community where we have been working hard to make sure that Azure is growing in popularity and I was pleasantly surprised to see that we have made a lot of progress..."
    - hdjjhhvvhga 5y ago
      This is an extremely important piece of information. It made me sad at first, because I'd expect that smart people (that includes dang & pg, not only the users) are harder to game. Nevertheless, when you take into account almost limitless resources Microsoft has, it's no wonder they managed to influence the discussion here. Specifically, HN is the main place where I hear the voices that MS completely changed, that they have nothing to do with their misbehavior from the 90s - which seems a bit naïve at least. In any case, it's good to remember that whenever any MS-related topic comes up.
- jeffalo 5y ago
  > Microsoft has admitted to gaming Hackernews This sounds interesting. Please elaborate!
enkrs 5y ago
There is another comment in this thread about how “Microsoft has put lipstick on a pig and hasn’t made what the users actally need”. Quite opposite - we can be sure that Microsoft have focused on what features to develop for Win11 based on telemetry data from Win10. Whats so bad about that? (Sadly, turns out what the majority needs is not realy what the small tech crowd “needs”) I’ve never really understood the outrage. Win11 IS the culmination of Win10 telemetry data. In the “good old days”, when we drove to fix our cars to a dealer- they catalogued how worn out are some parts together with mileage. To know which ones to improve for next models. How is this different than telemetry? Or new?
- JohnFen 5y ago
  I am pretty well convinced that the use of telemetry has had a net-negative effect on software development. Not that the use of telemetry data is inherently bad, but that so many companies appear to use it nearly exclusively, and tend to draw conclusions from it that are questionable.
OrgNet 5y ago
> I'm somehow unable to identify the moment where the computer stopped being your kingdom Phones started it, and Windows 10 followed (That's when I stopped using Windows). The only reason my kid still have a Windows PC is Roblox (but it is starting to work pretty well in Linux).

forgotmypw17 5y ago

I,m still using Windows ME and Word 97 for writing work, because everything else feels clunky, fat, and unrefined. For programming work, after many years of Windows and Mac, I,ve moved on to environments which do not force changes on me. When my WORKSTATION is concerned, I just can,t tolerate unsolicited ,,improvements,,.

smoldesu 5y ago

It would frankly be difficult for them to downgrade Windows at this point, at least in my opinion. Microsoft did 'the right thing' here by taking design cues from more streamlined OSes like ChromeOS while deriving it's visual style from the frosted-glass infatuation that MacOS is famous for. It's a surprisingly happy medium that iterates quite successfully on it's core product. The reason I'm not using it though? I switched to Linux 2 years ago, and I wouldn't come back for all the software upgrades in the world. The issues with Windows run incredibly deep (for my use cases) and Microsoft's inability to slaughter any sacred cows has left an extreme disparity between cruft and class, as you pointed out. I'm just too tired of putting up with Windows to give it more of my time. I'm glad that it's starting to look and feel better though, it's an important step in the right direction for their 'core audience', so to speak.

fartcannon 5y ago

Microsoft and its secretions are a special kind of bad. For a while, Mac's were 'new' to a lot of people, but they're quickly becoming the OS your mom uses to check facebook. Linux will forever be the nerd OS, and that's a double edged sword. BSD, as you know, is fictional.

Joker_vD 5y ago

I still use Windows 7 and it works absolutely fine. Really.

AnIdiotOnTheNet 5y ago

> Am I the only one who really enjoys Windows 11 so far? Probably not, but consider that people have a lot of different use cases for their computer and a lot of different priorities and Microsoft has been pretty consistent lately about ignoring pretty much any of them that aren't "I really wish my desktop were a clunky tablet". > I really like the new UI which feels more modern and harmonic Subjective, but feeling more modern is precisely the opposite of what I want in a UI. Modern means slow and cumbersome with lots of wasted space, sparse options, and unreadable widgets. > Control Panel is still in there somewhere but why should I care? Control Panel had nothing wrong with it and probably still has settings options that are missing from the new ones? > new GPU accelerated Terminal is really nice It's performance is remarkably terrible for something that's GPU accelerated. Casey Muratori has said a lot about it. https://github.com/cmuratori/termbench https://github.com/cmuratori/termbench and https://github.com/cmuratori/refterm https://github.com/cmuratori/refterm were a result. It doesn't mean a lot in terms of quality of Windows 11, I just think it is a good illustration of modern Windows team's development practices. > Does it have tons of telemetry, cruft from 20 years in the kernel and some rough edges? Cruft is fine because it is there for backwards compat, which is huge for a tone of desktop use cases. Linux Kernel has a ton of cruft too for the same reason. Telemetry is bullshit and wastes my computer's resources to effectively spy on me. > Is the hardware requirements a bit ridiculous? The hardware requirements are very ridiculous. Windows 11 is not revolutionary, but somehow manages to require twice the minimum specs of ten in some metrics, and a TPM module. > To each their own I guess but it sometimes feels a bit depressing how HN crowd trashes every OS. They all have problems, big problems, so they all deserve it. I find it more remarkable that people consistently try to say that everything is actually ok! > Is everyone here still using C64, Windows 2000 or OS9 because it „was the last good system“? God I wish they were still viable.