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Yep. They've been tinkering with the scrum ever since I was a kid, but to me it feels like they result in a collapse, a penalty[0] or one side being totally ste

by smcl 5y ago

Yep. They've been tinkering with the scrum ever since I was a kid, but to me it feels like they result in a collapse, a penalty[0] or one side being totally steamrolled 90% of the time. I wish I had stats at hand to back this up, but I feel like even though they're technically "contested" they're rarely actually contested. If it's not enjoyable for spectators, doesn't really do much for the game and is dangerous then I can see why it could get phased out in the long run. [0] = or multiple collapses then a penalty

dmurray 5y ago
I don't think this is accurate. The majority of scrums at every level lead either to possession for the team with the put-in, or a penalty in their favour. If the weaker team has the put-in, they can pretty much roll the ball straight back to the number 8 and get it away (possibly not in the rules but completely never policed). It's exciting when either side gets a shove on and that there's at least the possibility to win one against the head, but I agree the game wouldn't lose that much for anyone but the purists and the front row specialists if we just moved to uncontested scrums.
- smcl 5y ago
  Like I said I don’t have the data, so maybe take 90% with a grain of salt :-) But some 6 Nations games in recent years have been pretty frustrating wrt scrum, and I don’t see it getting any more interesting or safe
- crateless 5y ago
  In theory, the weaker team can "try" to get the ball out the back as fast as possible but in practice, I see penalties for teams getting steamrolled in the scrum quite often which would suggest that the tactic is not entirely effective. I don't understand much of what goes on in the scrum, but I love watching the battle for dominance over the course of a game. Are there collapsed scrums frequently? Yes. But it is an aspect of the sport that gives a chance for the heavies to shine. The increasing use of mauls on the other hand...

by smcl 5y ago

dmurray 5y ago

I don't think this is accurate. The majority of scrums at every level lead either to possession for the team with the put-in, or a penalty in their favour. If the weaker team has the put-in, they can pretty much roll the ball straight back to the number 8 and get it away (possibly not in the rules but completely never policed). It's exciting when either side gets a shove on and that there's at least the possibility to win one against the head, but I agree the game wouldn't lose that much for anyone but the purists and the front row specialists if we just moved to uncontested scrums.

smcl 5y ago
Like I said I don’t have the data, so maybe take 90% with a grain of salt :-) But some 6 Nations games in recent years have been pretty frustrating wrt scrum, and I don’t see it getting any more interesting or safe
crateless 5y ago
In theory, the weaker team can "try" to get the ball out the back as fast as possible but in practice, I see penalties for teams getting steamrolled in the scrum quite often which would suggest that the tactic is not entirely effective. I don't understand much of what goes on in the scrum, but I love watching the battle for dominance over the course of a game. Are there collapsed scrums frequently? Yes. But it is an aspect of the sport that gives a chance for the heavies to shine. The increasing use of mauls on the other hand...