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It is a bit worse than that -- because these were largely people who did not fall for the religious-based Puritanism. D&D is Satanic. Now it is problematic.

It is a bit worse than that -- because these were largely people who did not fall for the religious-based Puritanism. D&D is Satanic. Now it is problematic. It appears that people will fall for this Puritanism as long as the flavor packet that comes with it is to their taste.

vorpalhex 5y ago
I once had a conversation that went like this: > Well that's problematic How is it problematic? > I don't know, it just is Can you describe it without using the word problematic? > No, it simply is problematic Do you maybe mean you simply disagree with it? > No, it's PROBLEMATIC -- I've taken to ignoring any phrase with the word problematic, unless it's followed with a meaningful description of what is the problem.
- LanceH 5y ago
  I feel the same way about "processed" food.
  - mvc 5y ago
    Processed food is "problematic". The problems are well known and documented though https://www.lhsfna.org/index.cfm/lifelines/may-2019/the-many-health-risks-of-processed-foods/ https://www.lhsfna.org/index.cfm/lifelines/may-2019/the-many...
    - vorpalhex 5y ago
      Processed food includes both McDonalds cheeseburgers and wholegrain bagels.
      - MisterTea 5y ago
        It also describes the "processed" rack of ribs I slow cooked last night after cleaning and seasoning them (processing steps).
        mvc 5y ago
        Is it frustrating going through life assuming a superficial understanding of words and phrases without considering how they are intended to be understood by the writer/speaker? The article I linked clearly explained that "processed" is not a binary flag, but rather a continuum. And that the harm is done by processing that adds excessive sugar, salt, and fat (and even then only when you consume that type of processed food to the exclusion of all other food).
        vorpalhex 5y ago
        It was not a good word choice. Cooperative speaking means both sides have to be cooperative, and hijacking and loading well known terms is not cooperative.
        account42 5y ago
        > The article I linked clearly explained that "processed" is not a binary flag, but rather a continuum. And that the harm is done by processing that adds excessive sugar, salt, and fat (and even then only when you consume that type of processed food to the exclusion of all other food). So then don't try to campaign againt "processed" food but against excessive sugar, salt and fat. If you use existing words with existing meanings then you can't expect people not to take those words literally.
    - Karunamon 5y ago
      Cooking food can be considered processing it. The problem is that the verb "processing" can mean nearly anything and isn't helpful for discussion. It often gets invoked as some kind of nonspecific boogeyman.
- captainredbeard 5y ago
  Problematic is often a weasel word for "causes difficult emotions"
- gorwell 5y ago
  That word is doing a lot of work. I think this explains the phenomenon well: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nSAWylw8dwQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nSAWylw8dwQ
beaconstudios 5y ago
I was having a conversation with a friend the other day about how, because it was founded by puritans, puritanism in general seems to have become part of the US' national/cultural character. You see it in many forms throughout the years in ways you just don't see in the UK, even though we otherwise share a great deal of cultural background.
- hprotagonist 5y ago
  It's more complicated than that, of course, though the point is taken: - the US was equally well founded by irish and scots debtors who couldn't get shipped off to australia because we hadn't found that yet. - ... or west africans in chains. - ... or money-grubbing mercantilist businessmen who had to be legally compelled to farm things that weren't tobacco after the first lot all starved to death by failing to plant food. - or by deists and quakers and catholics (who especially represent what passes for religious tolerance in the colonies, c.f. Maryland in particular) Puritans, of course, also came from the UK (some by way of the mainland when they got kicked out for being too uptight) I think a difference is: Cromwell lost, and the UK kept their Tories rather longer than we kept ours (and many subsequently left for Nova Scotia and the like), so the fallback position that wasn't puritanism in the UK was an explicitly theocratic state religion that had to be a denomination of compromise because everyone knew perfectly well what happened when it wasn't. (this motivation had a different effect in the US: IMO it almost completely explains the establishment clause)

vorpalhex 5y ago

I once had a conversation that went like this: > Well that's problematic How is it problematic? > I don't know, it just is Can you describe it without using the word problematic? > No, it simply is problematic Do you maybe mean you simply disagree with it? > No, it's PROBLEMATIC -- I've taken to ignoring any phrase with the word problematic, unless it's followed with a meaningful description of what is the problem.

LanceH 5y ago
I feel the same way about "processed" food.
- mvc 5y ago
  Processed food is "problematic". The problems are well known and documented though https://www.lhsfna.org/index.cfm/lifelines/may-2019/the-many-health-risks-of-processed-foods/ https://www.lhsfna.org/index.cfm/lifelines/may-2019/the-many...
  - vorpalhex 5y ago
    Processed food includes both McDonalds cheeseburgers and wholegrain bagels.
    - MisterTea 5y ago
      It also describes the "processed" rack of ribs I slow cooked last night after cleaning and seasoning them (processing steps).
      - mvc 5y ago
        Is it frustrating going through life assuming a superficial understanding of words and phrases without considering how they are intended to be understood by the writer/speaker? The article I linked clearly explained that "processed" is not a binary flag, but rather a continuum. And that the harm is done by processing that adds excessive sugar, salt, and fat (and even then only when you consume that type of processed food to the exclusion of all other food).
        vorpalhex 5y ago
        It was not a good word choice. Cooperative speaking means both sides have to be cooperative, and hijacking and loading well known terms is not cooperative.
        account42 5y ago
        > The article I linked clearly explained that "processed" is not a binary flag, but rather a continuum. And that the harm is done by processing that adds excessive sugar, salt, and fat (and even then only when you consume that type of processed food to the exclusion of all other food). So then don't try to campaign againt "processed" food but against excessive sugar, salt and fat. If you use existing words with existing meanings then you can't expect people not to take those words literally.
  - Karunamon 5y ago
    Cooking food can be considered processing it. The problem is that the verb "processing" can mean nearly anything and isn't helpful for discussion. It often gets invoked as some kind of nonspecific boogeyman.
captainredbeard 5y ago
Problematic is often a weasel word for "causes difficult emotions"
gorwell 5y ago
That word is doing a lot of work. I think this explains the phenomenon well: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nSAWylw8dwQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nSAWylw8dwQ

beaconstudios 5y ago

I was having a conversation with a friend the other day about how, because it was founded by puritans, puritanism in general seems to have become part of the US' national/cultural character. You see it in many forms throughout the years in ways you just don't see in the UK, even though we otherwise share a great deal of cultural background.

hprotagonist 5y ago
It's more complicated than that, of course, though the point is taken: - the US was equally well founded by irish and scots debtors who couldn't get shipped off to australia because we hadn't found that yet. - ... or west africans in chains. - ... or money-grubbing mercantilist businessmen who had to be legally compelled to farm things that weren't tobacco after the first lot all starved to death by failing to plant food. - or by deists and quakers and catholics (who especially represent what passes for religious tolerance in the colonies, c.f. Maryland in particular) Puritans, of course, also came from the UK (some by way of the mainland when they got kicked out for being too uptight) I think a difference is: Cromwell lost, and the UK kept their Tories rather longer than we kept ours (and many subsequently left for Nova Scotia and the like), so the fallback position that wasn't puritanism in the UK was an explicitly theocratic state religion that had to be a denomination of compromise because everyone knew perfectly well what happened when it wasn't. (this motivation had a different effect in the US: IMO it almost completely explains the establishment clause)