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> 1. The new design and sounds are modern, fresh, clean and beautiful, bringing you a sense of calm and ease. THIS? is the number one point they want to highli

> 1. The new design and sounds are modern, fresh, clean and beautiful, bringing you a sense of calm and ease. THIS? is the number one point they want to highlight? Feel at ease, user, while we mine all your data and force feed you buggy release after buggy release of changes you don't want and didn't ask for!

byproxy 5y ago
I haven’t heard enough about the under-the-hood details of Windows 11 to not believe that this release is not much more than a slight refresh to the desktop environment.
- cucumb3rrelish 5y ago
  They redesigned the app store, the settings, the file manager, added android emulation and changed the update cycle. it's also snappy with more agressive caching from what i heard. the search was also overhauled to be faster and more relevant i would have loved for them to include more privacy and security features instead of the widgets panel for instance (which only allows microsoft services anyways so far) but it still looks like a decent release
  - byproxy 5y ago
    I’d say the first two things you listed fall under “slight refresh to the desktop environment”, but, yea… forgot about the Android emulation. That’s pretty cool. And the last couple of things you mentioned are certainly welcome improvements.
  - misnome 5y ago
    > the settings Did they actually redesign it this time, or just redesigned - again - the "most common" options and fall back to the old version, old version+2, old version +4 etc for any of the more detailed panes....
    - cucumb3rrelish 5y ago
      full redesign, it's significantly better than before
      - plopz 5y ago
        what does the network adapter options look like now?
        TingPing 5y ago
        Its still split across like 3 dialogs from 3 eras.
    - banana_giraffe 5y ago
      Reminds me: https://youtu.be/-rwoPiM-8Qk?t=305 https://youtu.be/-rwoPiM-8Qk?t=305 They're doing the same thing with the Explorer context menu, hiding the old options behind another layer.
      - misnome 5y ago
        Oh no, that's awful. 7Zip is the perfect example to demonstrate that. (not too taken with the plus it gets in that video for windows terminal, which has been available for ages)
      - polytely 5y ago
        I guess I'm staying on windows 10 until 2025
  - WorldMaker 5y ago
    The Widgets Panel seems like the place that Live Tiles have gone to die. Outside of the "new AI widgets" they keep trying to hype the rest of the apps that show up there are just Live Tiles apps showing their old Live Tiles in new slightly more rounded boxes.
AnIdiotOnTheNet 5y ago
Modern software in a nutshell really. It's garbage, it's going to get more garbage, we don't give a shit how bloated and painful it is, here are some pretty pictures.
- hnlmorg 5y ago
  This isn't just a modern trend. The XP everyone remembers is SP3 and that came very late in the life of Windows XP. It's first release, however, was an uglier version of Windows 2000 (albeit with a few bug fixes here and there). Most insulting of all, XP had twice the CPU and memory foot print of 2000. The Win ME crowd loved XP but many of the Windows 2000 folk ended up waiting it out for a few years before upgrading (or switching to Linux in my case). I expect the same will happen here. MS will still officially support 10 for a few years but not really show it much love. Eventually 11 will diverge into something worth upgrading to (or the last stubborn few will have migrated onto another platform entirely).
  - kasabali 5y ago
    What makes you so optimistic? Windows 10 didn't get any better in 6 years.

byproxy 5y ago

I haven’t heard enough about the under-the-hood details of Windows 11 to not believe that this release is not much more than a slight refresh to the desktop environment.

cucumb3rrelish 5y ago
They redesigned the app store, the settings, the file manager, added android emulation and changed the update cycle. it's also snappy with more agressive caching from what i heard. the search was also overhauled to be faster and more relevant i would have loved for them to include more privacy and security features instead of the widgets panel for instance (which only allows microsoft services anyways so far) but it still looks like a decent release
- byproxy 5y ago
  I’d say the first two things you listed fall under “slight refresh to the desktop environment”, but, yea… forgot about the Android emulation. That’s pretty cool. And the last couple of things you mentioned are certainly welcome improvements.
- misnome 5y ago
  > the settings Did they actually redesign it this time, or just redesigned - again - the "most common" options and fall back to the old version, old version+2, old version +4 etc for any of the more detailed panes....
  - cucumb3rrelish 5y ago
    full redesign, it's significantly better than before
    - plopz 5y ago
      what does the network adapter options look like now?
      - TingPing 5y ago
        Its still split across like 3 dialogs from 3 eras.
  - banana_giraffe 5y ago
    Reminds me: https://youtu.be/-rwoPiM-8Qk?t=305 https://youtu.be/-rwoPiM-8Qk?t=305 They're doing the same thing with the Explorer context menu, hiding the old options behind another layer.
    - misnome 5y ago
      Oh no, that's awful. 7Zip is the perfect example to demonstrate that. (not too taken with the plus it gets in that video for windows terminal, which has been available for ages)
    - polytely 5y ago
      I guess I'm staying on windows 10 until 2025
- WorldMaker 5y ago
  The Widgets Panel seems like the place that Live Tiles have gone to die. Outside of the "new AI widgets" they keep trying to hype the rest of the apps that show up there are just Live Tiles apps showing their old Live Tiles in new slightly more rounded boxes.

AnIdiotOnTheNet 5y ago

Modern software in a nutshell really. It's garbage, it's going to get more garbage, we don't give a shit how bloated and painful it is, here are some pretty pictures.

hnlmorg 5y ago
This isn't just a modern trend. The XP everyone remembers is SP3 and that came very late in the life of Windows XP. It's first release, however, was an uglier version of Windows 2000 (albeit with a few bug fixes here and there). Most insulting of all, XP had twice the CPU and memory foot print of 2000. The Win ME crowd loved XP but many of the Windows 2000 folk ended up waiting it out for a few years before upgrading (or switching to Linux in my case). I expect the same will happen here. MS will still officially support 10 for a few years but not really show it much love. Eventually 11 will diverge into something worth upgrading to (or the last stubborn few will have migrated onto another platform entirely).
- kasabali 5y ago
  What makes you so optimistic? Windows 10 didn't get any better in 6 years.