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As the owner of a 1st generation Threadripper I'm pretty pissed off that my 4 year old CPU is unsupported.
by GiorgioG 5y ago
As the owner of a 1st generation Threadripper I'm pretty pissed off that my 4 year old CPU is unsupported.
- AndrewDucker 5y agoMy desktop is a bit older - but can handle everything other than the security chip changes. Also pretty pissed off.
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- joveian 5y agoAre you sure your CPU doesn't have the required security chip? On Intel systems it is called PTT and is present in almost all CPUs over the past decade IIRC. But often disabled in the BIOS. I thought AMD CPUs have also had it for a while.
- AndrewDucker 5y agoSadly not. i5-6600K doesn't support it, and my motherboard is literally one version short of having the chip.
- joveian 5y agoI have the regular i5-6600 in my game system and it does have it so I am almost certain that chip does as well (and a quick search shows up someone with the k version who was able to enable it). For some reason the setting is under "peripherals" for me, I guess most likely the setting is hidden somewhere for you as well.
- junar 5y agoIt looks like for CPU/firmware TPMs, not all motherboard manufacturers supported it on their 100/200-series models. https://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/motherboards-that-support-tpm-windows-11/ https://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/motherboards-that-su...
- alanwreath 5y agome too, I wouldn't consider first gen Ryzen as something unsupportable either. But at least they're still allowing for installations and well, I'm not so sure if a CPU from 2017 needs to be supported for new Operating Systems. Either way I hope they achieve something special with the new OS given they are putting the bar so much higher.
- Errsher 5y agoTime to switch to Linux
- SideburnsOfDoom 5y ago> Time to switch to Linux Windows 10 and 11 can run that app. It's called WSL2
- speeder 5y agoCan they do that without sending any telemetry without you having to resort to firewalls, domain control or other stuff not available to the average user?
- colejohnson66 5y agoNo. But they can run Windows-only programs as well. Linux is objectively better that Windows in the privacy (and package management) department, but Wine just doesn’t cut it sometimes. I tried a year ago to switch to Linux, with Windows in a VM, but it just wasn’t good enough for my liking. I wanted Windows program support but with the power of the Linux command line (such as building C and C++ programs from source). and WSL does that really well. I ended up switching back a few months ago… Lastly, there’s the aspect of online school. Proctoring systems such as ProctorU and Examity mandate Windows or macOS.
- hnlmorg 5y ago
- byproxy 5y agoAs the owner of a 6? year old i5-6600 I’m … ambivalent.
- inetknght 5y agoI have a rock solid i7-920. It's aged well. Just stop using Windows.
- baal80spam 5y ago> Just stop using Windows. As a happy user of i5, I don't feel any need to upgrade to Windows 11 from Windows 10.
- AnIdiotOnTheNet 5y agoMy guess is that Microsoft will backtrack on this within 6 months of release because basically nobody will upgrade their processor just to use Windows 11. They have a history of doing stuff like this and then backpeddling when fewer people put up with their shit than they expected. Then again, lately they've been doubling down on stupid shit nobody wants so who knows. Either way, I know I won't be upgrading to Win 11 any time soon and the company I work for certainly isn't going to rush out and buy all new workstations for it either.
- joveian 5y agoI'm not sure it will be basically nobody, but they will figure that most people who will do it will have done it by then. This release even seems to say that they will lower requirements early next year. Then I guess there will be lawsuits when the old CPUs run it just as well as the new ones because there haven't really been major CPU changes (other than integrated GPU improvements).
- wvenable 5y agoWindows 10 isn't going away so they have no need to backtrack. The purpose of Windows 11 is to sell new hardware. New releases of Windows always caused a jump in OEM hardware sales. When Microsoft went to the Windows 10 forever model, Microsoft and the OEMs lost this huge marketing opportunity.
- tupac_speedrap 5y ago90% of the linked article is trying to peddle laptops and tablets that support Windows 11 so it's pretty obvious that they are just trying to milk the OEM OS market with a new OS.
- benlumen 5y agoFirst gen Ryzen is unsupported? That's hilarious. My 1800X goes like a bat out of hell for everything I need it to do and I have zero intention of upgrading it. They can keep Windows 11.
- tmikaeld 5y ago> They can keep Windows 11. For 4 more years, then Windows 10 is EOL.
- bscphil 5y agoI simply don't understand how technical users have not all switched to LTSC at this point. LTSC 2019 will receive security updates until 2029. In the future, you may have to use the IoT LTSC version to get the full 10 years of support, but I assume someone will work out how to do this (my understanding is that it is still a full version of windows, with some built in "kiosk" features). LTSC is amazing, Windows as it should be. You can pretty easily disable any telemetry and disable unneeded features (and many of the annoying ones don't even come installed by default). I am using Linux 99.5% of the time, and I still use LTSC whenever I need to use Windows for something.
- bellyfullofbac 5y agoI wish Greta Thunberg (or another environmentalist like David Attenborough) would say something about the fuckery of how this upgrade is going to generate significant e-waste. Shame the companies that do this. I say this as a Windows 7 on Ryzen 2 user.
- jcun4128 5y agoIs Win7 still secure?
- meibo 5y agoNo, especially not for non-technical users. I support a popular software package and we run integrity checks on our own binaries - in recent months, the number of people that contact us and send us samples of our binaries infected with some common trojan on Windows 7 has skyrocketed. And that's just infectious malware. IMO, Windows Defender is the greatest thing Microsoft has done with Windows 10.
- jcun4128 5y ago> Windows Defender is the greatest thing Microsoft has done with Windows 10 I have not worried about an anti-virus in a long time, granted I have adblockers/use VMs but idk maybe that's just WD being good. I remember doing tech support work a long time ago and how Malware Bytes was one of the good ones (free) to use/actually worked.
- MonaroVXR 5y agoIt's Microsoft Defender. There are a lot things that are turned off by default, otherwise you computer would slow down. Windows 11 is going to turn those things on by default.
- bellyfullofbac 5y agoSomeone has made a tool that downloads and applies the patches that MS is still giving to the extended support customers and he is pirating. Although I'd like to see people's faces when I tell them that someone is Russian^W Ukrainian...
- treesknees 5y agoMy Surface Pro 4 won't be getting Windows 11 either. However, Windows 10 will stay supported until 2025 which by then I will have upgraded. I'm not happy about it but it is what it is. Yes reports suggest you will be able to download the Win11 iso and manually install or upgrade the system, but I haven't seen any guarantees that those systems will continue to receive security updates or support.
- mark_and_sweep 5y agoSame with my 4 y/o i7 Kaby Lake. This is simply unacceptable.
- zozbot234 5y agoYou really shouldn't be. It's hot steaming garbage that requires a frickin Microsoft Account to even activate (unless you buy the $$$ Pro License). And it doesn't even allow you to switch the panel position away from the bottom of the screen, which every version of Windows since 95 could do. Just avoid this.
- ziml77 5y agoAs someone who always gets the pro version because home has always had arbitrary restrictions and as someone who has never changed the taskbar position, neither of those are reasons to avoid Windows 11. The reason to not care about it for me is that it doesn't actually improve anything in any notable way. There's no compelling reason to upgrade.
- TillE 5y agoI sort of buy that they're not supporting CPUs without a TPM chip, but it's absolute nonsense that they're also obsoleting a ton of new CPUs for really obscure reasons.
- bitwize 5y agoI'm not. It just means Microsoft has entrenched me further into the free Unix ecosystem even than I was before.
- seabrookmx 5y agoI think people are blowing the "unsupported" word out of proportion. MS have already said you can install Windows 11 on whatever you want with the media creation tool. Being unsupported just gives them an out to not deliver drivers or do QC for obscure or really old hardware configurations. Since Threadripper is a new enough platform I wouldn't expect that to happen for quite some time. The people being really stung by this are larger organizations like schools and hospitals who _need_ that support. This seems like it's throwing a bone to HP, Dell and co.
- XzetaU8 5y agoMS also said that unsupported PCs won’t be entitled to receive Windows Updates, including security updates. https://www.theverge.com/2021/8/28/22646035/microsoft-windows-11-iso-workaround-no-update-guarantee https://www.theverge.com/2021/8/28/22646035/microsoft-window...
- seabrookmx 5y agoRight, not being entitled to provide them doesn't mean they won't provide them. I addressed this in my above comment: > just gives them an out to not deliver drivers or do QC for obscure or really old hardware configurations As others have mentioned they've already done this with Windows 10 and received a bunch of backlash for it. I have an old tablet (that shipped with Windows 8) that can't run the latest Windows 10 builds because there isn't a supported graphics driver. I had realistic expectations about niche hardware like this but many people assume that if they successfully install the OS it'll just work/be updated indefinitely. They're making it clear with 11 this isn't the case.