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> Yes. When a good or service is always available to anyone who can pay the price, all one needs to do is find the money and one can get it. This sounds nice b
by jorvi 5y ago
> Yes. When a good or service is always available to anyone who can pay the price, all one needs to do is find the money and one can get it.
This sounds nice but breaks down because shelter is a human need, it is not a new iPhone.
I am aware that the solution to housing crises is build build build, and that the more profit is in developing housing the more there is being built, but pretending a place to live is like any other common good is cold and wrong.
- luckylion 5y ago> pretending a place to live is like any other common good is cold and wrong. Does it help if you pretend that it's not? Do you get more investments into housing, and in the end, more houses, if you consider housing different from other markets?
- jorvi 5y agoI am not pretending anything, I am merely pointing out that shelter, like food an water, is a basic human right (although judging by HNs donwvotes, they'd be fine with starving and dehydrating people as long as someone is making a massive profit).
- luckylion 5y agoI think many here disagree with you about it being a human right, because unlike the earlier human rights, it's not "leave people be" at its core, it's "you have to do X for people". If anything, it's a human entitlement, but that doesn't have the same ring to it, I suppose. And then there's the next part: how good and how much? What's the housing that everyone supposedly has a right to? 100sqft? 500? 1000? And of what quality, and where? Do they get to choose the location?
- guerrilla 5y ago> If anything, it's a human entitlement, but that doesn't have the same ring to it, I suppose. This is nonsense you just made up. Positive and negative rights are both rights, as is common understood in English but especially as defined within political science and philosophy. [1] 1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negative_and_positive_rights https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negative_and_positive_rights
- luckylion 5y agoYes, and positive rights in that context are entitlements. With a right to be housed, you're entitled to a house/apartment/shelter.
- jorvi 5y agoThe right to shelter is literally in the Universal Decleration of Human Rights. There is no disagreeing about it, it factually is a human right.