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> overwhelming response here was negative, presupposing greed and lack of privacy of everyone Because the history of other platforms which have done this, sho

> overwhelming response here was negative, presupposing greed and lack of privacy of everyone Because the history of other platforms which have done this, shows that ads didn't go away. Cable TV, full of ads. Satellite Radio, not too bad but still has ads.

cookie_monsta 5y ago
But then again Netflix et al, zero ads Spotify premium, zero ads I think it's just a question of coming up with the right model. Assuming that failed examples are the rule isn't all that useful
- kasabali 5y ago
  Some Netflix originals have a lot of product placement
  - wintermutestwin 5y ago
    Product placement is a slight annoyance compared to ads. That said, I could see them becoming just as toxic.
    - JohnFen 5y ago
      I find product placement to be horrific. It was the final straw that got me to just stop watching TV/Netflix/etc altogether.
- perryizgr8 5y ago
  For now, Netflix and Spotify have no ads. I have a feeling that if these companies feel the pinch during a bad quarter or two, they will 100% start introducing ads. That's how business works, they want to maximize revenue. TV publishers have traditionally charged a fee on top of the ads. That demonstrates that audiences are fine with it. 100% Netflix and Spotify will eventually have ads.
  - sofixa 5y ago
    > TV publishers have traditionally charged a fee on top of the ads. That demonstrates that audiences are fine with it. 100% Netflix and Spotify will eventually have ads. Or maybe the huge success of Netflix and to a lesser extent Spotify is in no small part because they don't have ads and they know it?
  - PaulDavisThe1st 5y ago
    > TV publishers have traditionally charged a fee on top of the ads. While not wanting to get into a debate about what is and isn't an ad in the context of US public broadcasting, this claim is not true of public broadcasting worldwide.
- e3bc54b2 5y ago
  Netflix doesn't have ads, yet. Spotify Premium doesn't have ads, yet. Hulu didn't use to have ads on its most premium tier, and from what I know, you now get ads on that too. Corporations generally don't like leaving money on the table. If you can pay, you are even better target for ads.
  - cookie_monsta 5y ago
    Hulu, in my country at least, is ad-free on premium. It's not a hard thing to investigate rather than speculate[1] [1]https://help.hulu.com/s/article/how-much-does-hulu-cost https://help.hulu.com/s/article/how-much-does-hulu-cost
  - whimsicalism 5y ago
    > Netflix doesn't have ads, yet. Spotify Premium doesn't have ads, yet. Both of those are replacement products for models of consumption that were previously pretty much entirely ad based.
whimsicalism 5y ago
> Because the history of other platforms which have done this, shows that ads didn't go away. This is classic negativity bias, I can think of plenty of platforms that transitioned to paid models without ads

cookie_monsta 5y ago

But then again Netflix et al, zero ads Spotify premium, zero ads I think it's just a question of coming up with the right model. Assuming that failed examples are the rule isn't all that useful

kasabali 5y ago
Some Netflix originals have a lot of product placement
- wintermutestwin 5y ago
  Product placement is a slight annoyance compared to ads. That said, I could see them becoming just as toxic.
  - JohnFen 5y ago
    I find product placement to be horrific. It was the final straw that got me to just stop watching TV/Netflix/etc altogether.
perryizgr8 5y ago
For now, Netflix and Spotify have no ads. I have a feeling that if these companies feel the pinch during a bad quarter or two, they will 100% start introducing ads. That's how business works, they want to maximize revenue. TV publishers have traditionally charged a fee on top of the ads. That demonstrates that audiences are fine with it. 100% Netflix and Spotify will eventually have ads.
- sofixa 5y ago
  > TV publishers have traditionally charged a fee on top of the ads. That demonstrates that audiences are fine with it. 100% Netflix and Spotify will eventually have ads. Or maybe the huge success of Netflix and to a lesser extent Spotify is in no small part because they don't have ads and they know it?
- PaulDavisThe1st 5y ago
  > TV publishers have traditionally charged a fee on top of the ads. While not wanting to get into a debate about what is and isn't an ad in the context of US public broadcasting, this claim is not true of public broadcasting worldwide.
e3bc54b2 5y ago
Netflix doesn't have ads, yet. Spotify Premium doesn't have ads, yet. Hulu didn't use to have ads on its most premium tier, and from what I know, you now get ads on that too. Corporations generally don't like leaving money on the table. If you can pay, you are even better target for ads.
- cookie_monsta 5y ago
  Hulu, in my country at least, is ad-free on premium. It's not a hard thing to investigate rather than speculate[1] [1]https://help.hulu.com/s/article/how-much-does-hulu-cost https://help.hulu.com/s/article/how-much-does-hulu-cost
- whimsicalism 5y ago
  > Netflix doesn't have ads, yet. Spotify Premium doesn't have ads, yet. Both of those are replacement products for models of consumption that were previously pretty much entirely ad based.

whimsicalism 5y ago

> Because the history of other platforms which have done this, shows that ads didn't go away. This is classic negativity bias, I can think of plenty of platforms that transitioned to paid models without ads