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> Yikes, when did HN become such a bitter, hurtful community? When reasonable people stopped commenting and engaging with bitter hateful commenters spewing bil

by izacus 5y ago

> Yikes, when did HN become such a bitter, hurtful community? When reasonable people stopped commenting and engaging with bitter hateful commenters spewing bile in all the topics. It happens sooner or later to most communities unfortunately - the toxic ranters push away any decent discussion with their ravings. This topic is a nice example - so much wierd misinformation and misunderstanding just how Android and Fuchsia work (bot politically and technically).

jraph 5y ago
>> when did HN become such a bitter, hurtful community I don't think this happened. However, since HN inception, more and more people (edit to clarify: in the general population) worry about bad uses of technical advances. This is true outside HN and it reflects in the community. Both are good things in my opinion. > When reasonable people stopped commenting Quite the contrary. People are considering the whole picture, not merely the technical aspect of things. They are also thinking about the long term consequences and what is at stake. Technical aspects do not live in a vacuum. I'm quite happy that people are no longer unconditionally in awe about new tech stuff regardless of what is at stake. I actually understand people who only want to consider technical stuff less and less, as someone who is interested in technical stuff a lot. Please, think critically. It does not mean you need to be against Fuchsia or anything. Just broaden your sight and take the time to consider whether things are done according to your values, and don't be angry against people who do.
- izacus 5y ago
  People leaving might look to you as "more and more people worrying", but in reality the numbers don't show that. It's just your observation bias that is telling you what you want to believe. On Reddit, this kind of situation on a subreddit is called a "circlejerk".
  - teddyh 5y ago
    Huh, I guess that that word¹ has been removed from the auto-ban list? Comments like that makes me think it ought have been kept. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23269284 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23269284
  - jraph 5y ago
    I'm aware that I may have biases and that my social group is not representative but do you have these numbers you are speaking about? Because you seem sure about this so I'd appreciate to be taught against my biases. Until that, I'll stay with the idea that much more people are at least aware of issues around new tech today than before Snowden revelations, let alone the beginning of the 2000s, and some of them are not happy with this even if they haven't taken actual actions, and even if they are not the majority. HN is probably only in advance on those topics compared to the general population by the way. (I added a clarification to the original post because I'm not sure you understood my post like I intended and the sentence was indeed ambiguous)
bryan_w 5y ago
This is so true. Just look at the number of comments on any technical post on here (e.g. the "how to write a syscall" post earlier today) vs any post having to do google/facebook/amazon. It's pretty clear that some people are only on this site to hate on "big tech"
- fmakr 5y ago
  "Larry and Sergey won't respect you in the morning." was a slogan here 10 years ago. Quite appropriate for a startup forum. It isn't new. There was a time when anything anti-Google or anti-Apple was downvoted to oblivion around 5 years ago, but that absolutely wasn't the historical norm (thankfully). .

by izacus 5y ago

jraph 5y ago

>> when did HN become such a bitter, hurtful community I don't think this happened. However, since HN inception, more and more people (edit to clarify: in the general population) worry about bad uses of technical advances. This is true outside HN and it reflects in the community. Both are good things in my opinion. > When reasonable people stopped commenting Quite the contrary. People are considering the whole picture, not merely the technical aspect of things. They are also thinking about the long term consequences and what is at stake. Technical aspects do not live in a vacuum. I'm quite happy that people are no longer unconditionally in awe about new tech stuff regardless of what is at stake. I actually understand people who only want to consider technical stuff less and less, as someone who is interested in technical stuff a lot. Please, think critically. It does not mean you need to be against Fuchsia or anything. Just broaden your sight and take the time to consider whether things are done according to your values, and don't be angry against people who do.

izacus 5y ago
People leaving might look to you as "more and more people worrying", but in reality the numbers don't show that. It's just your observation bias that is telling you what you want to believe. On Reddit, this kind of situation on a subreddit is called a "circlejerk".
- teddyh 5y ago
  Huh, I guess that that word¹ has been removed from the auto-ban list? Comments like that makes me think it ought have been kept. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23269284 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23269284
- jraph 5y ago
  I'm aware that I may have biases and that my social group is not representative but do you have these numbers you are speaking about? Because you seem sure about this so I'd appreciate to be taught against my biases. Until that, I'll stay with the idea that much more people are at least aware of issues around new tech today than before Snowden revelations, let alone the beginning of the 2000s, and some of them are not happy with this even if they haven't taken actual actions, and even if they are not the majority. HN is probably only in advance on those topics compared to the general population by the way. (I added a clarification to the original post because I'm not sure you understood my post like I intended and the sentence was indeed ambiguous)

bryan_w 5y ago

This is so true. Just look at the number of comments on any technical post on here (e.g. the "how to write a syscall" post earlier today) vs any post having to do google/facebook/amazon. It's pretty clear that some people are only on this site to hate on "big tech"

fmakr 5y ago
"Larry and Sergey won't respect you in the morning." was a slogan here 10 years ago. Quite appropriate for a startup forum. It isn't new. There was a time when anything anti-Google or anti-Apple was downvoted to oblivion around 5 years ago, but that absolutely wasn't the historical norm (thankfully). .