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How would Google switching their platform's kernel from Linux to Fuchsia "extinguish" Linux? I'm pretty sure we'll be fine without Google.

by gman83 5y ago

fsflover 5y ago
Google can use its monopoly position to force everyone from Android/Linux.
- scoopertrooper 5y ago
  Can they though? How would they even do that? The whole concept behind Android is to extend the reach of Google's advertising and service offerings into the mobile ecosystem. This largely depends on them having the goodwill of the phone manufacturers in not de-googling their distributions. How would Google feel about Samsung switching the default search engine to Bing?
  - fsflover 5y ago
    They can do it in the same way they did with XMPP.
    - izacus 5y ago
      How exactly? They can't even persuade Samsung to not apply their hideous skin on Android and add their own bloatware.
      - fsflover 5y ago
        Google couldn't care less what Samsung is doing.
      - pjmlp 5y ago
        Why should they? They want OEM diversification of Android ecosystem. And for what matters, non-techies love Samsung´s UI skin.
coldtea 5y ago
>How would Google switching their platform's kernel from Linux to Fuchsia "extinguish" Linux? In that nobody would use it on mobile without continued development from Google (Android development can easily pause after say a 5-10 year transition period) and without Google apps and services on it. At best, you'd have Samsung or some Chinese company keeping the flame alive for a short while. After that everything now Android will be Fucscia based.
- user-the-name 5y ago
  They weren't interested in supporting Linux before Android. They aren't going to be interested in supporting Linux after Android. Google hasn't extinguished anything. Linux just didn't offer a compelling reason for companies to support it.
  - coldtea 5y ago
    Your argument amounts to: "Before X happened, and after X had stopped happening, X wasn't happening". Logically it's very strong. It's also neither here, nor there. The "extinguish" part refers to the transition from Linux on mobile being a thing thanks to Android (on billions of devices) to Linux on mobile not being a thing anymore (or being a small niche) in a post-Android/Fucscia world. It doesn't matter if Linux on mobile wasn't a thing before Android, the same way when defending a murder "Well, the victim wasn't alive before it was born either, judge" is not an argument.
    - user-the-name 5y ago
      That is not at all what "embrace, extend, extinguish" refers to. What you are describing is what happens when an inferior technology is replaced by a better one.
      - coldtea 5y ago
        >That is not at all what "embrace, extend, extinguish" refers to. I'll agree with that. It still is "use X when convenient, profit off X, build your own replacement piecemeal, throw X away and let it die" though.

How would Google switching their platform's kernel from Linux to Fuchsia "extinguish" Linux? I'm pretty sure we'll be fine without Google.

by gman83 5y ago

How would Google switching their platform's kernel from Linux to Fuchsia "extinguish" Linux? I'm pretty sure we'll be fine without Google.

fsflover 5y ago

Google can use its monopoly position to force everyone from Android/Linux.

scoopertrooper 5y ago
Can they though? How would they even do that? The whole concept behind Android is to extend the reach of Google's advertising and service offerings into the mobile ecosystem. This largely depends on them having the goodwill of the phone manufacturers in not de-googling their distributions. How would Google feel about Samsung switching the default search engine to Bing?
- fsflover 5y ago
  They can do it in the same way they did with XMPP.
  - izacus 5y ago
    How exactly? They can't even persuade Samsung to not apply their hideous skin on Android and add their own bloatware.
    - fsflover 5y ago
      Google couldn't care less what Samsung is doing.
    - pjmlp 5y ago
      Why should they? They want OEM diversification of Android ecosystem. And for what matters, non-techies love Samsung´s UI skin.

coldtea 5y ago

>How would Google switching their platform's kernel from Linux to Fuchsia "extinguish" Linux? In that nobody would use it on mobile without continued development from Google (Android development can easily pause after say a 5-10 year transition period) and without Google apps and services on it. At best, you'd have Samsung or some Chinese company keeping the flame alive for a short while. After that everything now Android will be Fucscia based.

user-the-name 5y ago
They weren't interested in supporting Linux before Android. They aren't going to be interested in supporting Linux after Android. Google hasn't extinguished anything. Linux just didn't offer a compelling reason for companies to support it.
- coldtea 5y ago
  Your argument amounts to: "Before X happened, and after X had stopped happening, X wasn't happening". Logically it's very strong. It's also neither here, nor there. The "extinguish" part refers to the transition from Linux on mobile being a thing thanks to Android (on billions of devices) to Linux on mobile not being a thing anymore (or being a small niche) in a post-Android/Fucscia world. It doesn't matter if Linux on mobile wasn't a thing before Android, the same way when defending a murder "Well, the victim wasn't alive before it was born either, judge" is not an argument.
  - user-the-name 5y ago
    That is not at all what "embrace, extend, extinguish" refers to. What you are describing is what happens when an inferior technology is replaced by a better one.
    - coldtea 5y ago
      >That is not at all what "embrace, extend, extinguish" refers to. I'll agree with that. It still is "use X when convenient, profit off X, build your own replacement piecemeal, throw X away and let it die" though.