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The relative status of the US was very high at thr time. Let me counter a bit of the heyday argumner. During this so-called “heyday” destroyed many inner citi

The relative status of the US was very high at thr time. Let me counter a bit of the heyday argumner. During this so-called “heyday” destroyed many inner cities, their street cars and created incredible pollution. The EPA was founded in 1971 and environmental regulations came into place then. This is incredible. To this day, no country has better air than the US. And that includss Europe. Maybe the US did do something incredible in the last few decades—it just happens to be a repair of nature. In the meantime because of oh-so-useful infrastructure built during the time of Mad Men, Robert Moses and suburbs US is still unable to implement mass transit as they once had and maybe now we will have global warming due to the infrastructure created when the US was “building fast and breaking things.” I don’t disagree with you—but I wouldn’t embrace the heyday as the pinnacle of achievement either.

shrikant 5y ago
> To this day, no country has better air than the US. Not to detract from your wider point, but this just isn't true. Here's at least one link that counters with data: https://www.iqair.com/world-most-polluted-countries https://www.iqair.com/world-most-polluted-countries -- the USA is 84th "most polluted" in terms of Air Quality Index on that list of 106 countries. Also just anecdotally, nobody that's been to both, say, Norway, and the USA can possibly think that the air quality in the two countries is even close!
- mucholove 5y ago
  Sure. Norway would be fantastic but it is such a different place that it would compare to being in Alaska or Montana. Major cities in the US, like NYC average around a 30-50 (probs more like 30) on the iqAir score. That is nuts. Barcelona has many, many days on 80-90. The US, mind you, is not helped by the forest fires of the last few years in this ranking. They really skew things in California and the US as a whole. These forest fires though can be attributed somehow to the building of the interstate system and therefore sort of does add to the wider point. Europe is pretty bad because of the diesel engine cars. If you change that, air quality will improve dramatically.
  - shrikant 5y ago
    Well, OK then, the claim changes to "parts of the USA have better air quality than parts of Europe because reasons", and I can't argue with Internet strangers making such uncontroversial claims, can I? :-)
- mg318 5y ago
  The link you provided shows the USA as the 84th LEAST polluted of 106.
  - shrikant 5y ago
    Pedantically, not really -- it shows Bangladesh as #1 on that list, and Bangladesh is the "most polluted". Pakistan is #2 and the "second most polluted" -- so extending that, USA is 84th on that list and hence the "84th most polluted", with country #106 being Puerto Rico, which is the "106th most polluted", and therefore the least polluted as per that list. So if you must reframe it as "least polluted", then USA is the 23rd least polluted on that list.
    - bananabreakfast 5y ago
      This is an incredibly misleading way to talk about this. First, there are ~200 countries, not 106. Second, Puerto Rico IS the USA. Third, "84th most polluted" out of a list of 106, is just a weird way to talk. It's like saying the valedictorian of a class of 100 is the 100th most underachieving student.
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shrikant 5y ago

> To this day, no country has better air than the US. Not to detract from your wider point, but this just isn't true. Here's at least one link that counters with data: https://www.iqair.com/world-most-polluted-countries https://www.iqair.com/world-most-polluted-countries -- the USA is 84th "most polluted" in terms of Air Quality Index on that list of 106 countries. Also just anecdotally, nobody that's been to both, say, Norway, and the USA can possibly think that the air quality in the two countries is even close!

mucholove 5y ago
Sure. Norway would be fantastic but it is such a different place that it would compare to being in Alaska or Montana. Major cities in the US, like NYC average around a 30-50 (probs more like 30) on the iqAir score. That is nuts. Barcelona has many, many days on 80-90. The US, mind you, is not helped by the forest fires of the last few years in this ranking. They really skew things in California and the US as a whole. These forest fires though can be attributed somehow to the building of the interstate system and therefore sort of does add to the wider point. Europe is pretty bad because of the diesel engine cars. If you change that, air quality will improve dramatically.
- shrikant 5y ago
  Well, OK then, the claim changes to "parts of the USA have better air quality than parts of Europe because reasons", and I can't argue with Internet strangers making such uncontroversial claims, can I? :-)
mg318 5y ago
The link you provided shows the USA as the 84th LEAST polluted of 106.
- shrikant 5y ago
  Pedantically, not really -- it shows Bangladesh as #1 on that list, and Bangladesh is the "most polluted". Pakistan is #2 and the "second most polluted" -- so extending that, USA is 84th on that list and hence the "84th most polluted", with country #106 being Puerto Rico, which is the "106th most polluted", and therefore the least polluted as per that list. So if you must reframe it as "least polluted", then USA is the 23rd least polluted on that list.
  - bananabreakfast 5y ago
    This is an incredibly misleading way to talk about this. First, there are ~200 countries, not 106. Second, Puerto Rico IS the USA. Third, "84th most polluted" out of a list of 106, is just a weird way to talk. It's like saying the valedictorian of a class of 100 is the 100th most underachieving student.

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