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Many people cannot pay their fines, or it requires significant tradeoffs. And it is so easy for things to roll out of control. Once the due date is past, the f
by SubiculumCode 5y ago
Many people cannot pay their fines, or it requires significant tradeoffs. And it is so easy for things to roll out of control.
Once the due date is past, the fine is doubled or triple. A $200 fine can become 400 or $600. Now its harder to pay, and so it doesn't because your car broke down and the kids are hungry. A warrant is issued for your arrest. They arrest you while at work. Even though you are out again the next morning, your work fired you, and won't give you a good reference. You get a knock on your door. Rent is due. Then two months. You feel fucked. A neighbor offers you relief, a fun night with some meth. You consider, but decide not too. You get kicked out for not paying rent. Now you are back living at your mom's. You feel like a loser, but at least its a roof. But she's an ass. She forgets to tell you of a phone call inviting your to an interview.
But you have to make it to court to plead guilty/mercy for not paying your fines, but your sister calls you right before. She just got beat up down the street, and needs you to pick her up. Your are 5 minutes late, and the judge doesn't care. On the way home, you get pulled over for expired tags. New ticket. I guess you won't pay the car payment this month. Your car get repossessed. It costs 200 +%40/day + $400 in late payments. You borrow some money from the neighbor. He's creeepy but get your car back.
Insurance is due. Tags are not paid. You are afraid to drive. You don't have a job. Meanwhile your creepy neighbor will forgive your debt if you get on your knees. You decide to not pay him, but he grabs you anyway. Rapes you. Police don't believe you. You are a poor slut. Your friend says come over and says let's party. You do. You get high. You keep getting high. You sleep with someone because they have a hit. He says, damn you hot, you could make some good money, and leaves a little for the road. You start jonesing, then take him up on the offer. Next thing you know you are a hooked junky prostitute. You sell your car for next to nothing and a blowjob. Your mom kicks you out. Now you live by the river with Frank. Frank protects you but he's an alcoholic.
I made this up, but this is how it works. THis is how it worked for people I know.
- Stupulous 5y agoI'm not disputing that there is a link between fines and poverty or between poverty and crime. But I can't fathom how 5% of assaults and burglaries are a direct result of getting a fine in the last two months. Even in your perfect storm story, it's three or four months before you commit a crime. If you got fined before the slowdown, the fine still applies and still doubles. If you would have been fined during the slowdown but aren't, you would have had a month to pay anyway. You can also set up a payment plan to pay your fine over a period of a couple years. I don't doubt that some small portion of the effect is exactly this. But 5% reduction in a month seems like far too much. I'm not even sure if there was a big reduction in fines- how many fines come out of proactive policing? I don't know, it's not totally impossible. It just seems less likely than the null hypothesis of random variation in the data, while a more direct relationship could compete.
- SubiculumCode 5y agoThis is a good point that I missed in the article. I was thinking that the reduction in crime occurred over a relatively long period of time, say a couple of years. I see now it was little over a month. Frankly that is not enough time for what I laid out, or enough time with ideas of under-reporting because everyone knows the police won't do anything because of their slow down. So I am not sure what it is.