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> Regarding reducing the fuel load, in an interview four months ago, Newsom said that there are “Hundreds of millions of dead trees” in the state and that it co

> Regarding reducing the fuel load, in an interview four months ago, Newsom said that there are “Hundreds of millions of dead trees” in the state and that it cost his father $35,000 to clear “a small little patch of dead trees” on his property. > Newsom didn’t admit it, but the outrageous cost to remove a few dead trees from private land is a consequence of California’s Byzantine environmental regulatory patchwork. https://www.forbes.com/sites/chuckdevore/2019/02/25/wildfires-caused-by-bad-environmental-policy-are-causing-california-forests-to-be-net-co2-emitters/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/chuckdevore/2019/02/25/wildfire...

OneEyedRobot 5y ago
Although I'm not sure what difference it really makes vs. more heavily managing public land but our local planning commission makes it essentially impossible to remove trees. This is in an extreme fire risk area. Also, it's quite expense to remove general green waste. High dump fees, long distances to dump, burn piles not allowed, impossible to throw away various types of plants outside house garbage flow.
jjulius 5y ago
That quote is about privately-owned land, not federally-owned land. You and the post you're responding to are both correct; the state is responsible for some areas, and the federal government is responsible for others.
- pokstad 5y ago
  You’re missing something here. Fires can start on private and state land and then spread to national forests. Also, more and more Californians are moving away from the coast into rural suburbs due to cost of living. Additionally, due to COVID lockdowns, more people are camping than ever. Fires aren’t started by climate change, they’re started by humans.
  - PaulDavisThe1st 5y ago
    I believe that in 2021, most of the wildfires in the west have been started by lightning rather than human error. If so, your final sentence is not really true, and might even be false.
  - jjulius 5y ago
    >You’re missing something here. I'll grant that perhaps I misinterpreted your response as saying, "No". Without additional comment from you in that post (you only replied with a quote), it's hard to know exactly what you're trying to say. >Fires can start on private and state land and then spread to national forests. And they can also start on federal land and spread to private/state land. Hence my comment that both federal and state governments are responsible for fire mitigation/prevention. >Also, more and more Californians are moving away from the coast into rural suburbs due to cost of living. I am not sure what this has to do with my comment. But, moving inward towards forests may mean that you're residing on state land right next to a federally-owned forest. >Additionally, due to COVID lockdowns, more people are camping than ever. Fires aren’t started by climate change, they’re started by humans. Okay? I didn't say anything about climate change or cause of fires. All I said was that both federal and state governments are responsible for their own areas. Each need to be doing a better job; mitigation can be improved across the board to reduce wildfire strength on state and federal lands, cause of fires be damned. But, for what it's worth, many fires have been triggered by storms during extra dry, hot weather and severe winds caused by climate change.

OneEyedRobot 5y ago

Although I'm not sure what difference it really makes vs. more heavily managing public land but our local planning commission makes it essentially impossible to remove trees. This is in an extreme fire risk area. Also, it's quite expense to remove general green waste. High dump fees, long distances to dump, burn piles not allowed, impossible to throw away various types of plants outside house garbage flow.

jjulius 5y ago

That quote is about privately-owned land, not federally-owned land. You and the post you're responding to are both correct; the state is responsible for some areas, and the federal government is responsible for others.

pokstad 5y ago
You’re missing something here. Fires can start on private and state land and then spread to national forests. Also, more and more Californians are moving away from the coast into rural suburbs due to cost of living. Additionally, due to COVID lockdowns, more people are camping than ever. Fires aren’t started by climate change, they’re started by humans.
- PaulDavisThe1st 5y ago
  I believe that in 2021, most of the wildfires in the west have been started by lightning rather than human error. If so, your final sentence is not really true, and might even be false.
- jjulius 5y ago
  >You’re missing something here. I'll grant that perhaps I misinterpreted your response as saying, "No". Without additional comment from you in that post (you only replied with a quote), it's hard to know exactly what you're trying to say. >Fires can start on private and state land and then spread to national forests. And they can also start on federal land and spread to private/state land. Hence my comment that both federal and state governments are responsible for fire mitigation/prevention. >Also, more and more Californians are moving away from the coast into rural suburbs due to cost of living. I am not sure what this has to do with my comment. But, moving inward towards forests may mean that you're residing on state land right next to a federally-owned forest. >Additionally, due to COVID lockdowns, more people are camping than ever. Fires aren’t started by climate change, they’re started by humans. Okay? I didn't say anything about climate change or cause of fires. All I said was that both federal and state governments are responsible for their own areas. Each need to be doing a better job; mitigation can be improved across the board to reduce wildfire strength on state and federal lands, cause of fires be damned. But, for what it's worth, many fires have been triggered by storms during extra dry, hot weather and severe winds caused by climate change.