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techbear and Daid and me are alright, but let's be real, we're no John Carmack. These are super-niche games, not world-beating blockbusters like Doom was.

marcodiego 5y ago
I wouldn't call Ryzom a world-beating blockbuster.
- techbear 5y ago
  I'm not feeling badgered. :) Since I first made Artemis, the option to open-source has been available, and I had several reasons not to do so. First, I've always been a very lone-wolf coder, and I find it hard to collaborate on big projects with anyone. Either they don't move fast enough for me, or I lose interest entirely. It's a real personal failing. Second, my code is embarrassing. I've come a long way since I started Artemis 11 years ago. But I now treat my own Artemis 2 code like a toxic waste dump; I don't wanna go back there. So the idea of exposing anyone else to my codebase isn't exciting. Third, I've actually made very good money from Artemis. I don't make much now, but at the height of Artemis's popularity in 2013, I made over 100k that year. I did it by asking for the sale, DRM-free, money-back-guarantee, and ensuring people that the project was still alive. Donations are great, but there's nothing wrong with asking for an honest sale.
  - marcodiego 5y ago
    I'm glad you're not feeling badgered. Honest question: suppose Artemis was created by a small game studio. Suppose the studio maintained paid to use servers for people to play it on-line with most server-side processing so cheaters wouldn't have any advantage. Also suppose the entire art not freely available. Would open sourcing it affect how much money could be made from it?
  - jholman 5y ago
    Bought ABSB in 2010, still got the receipt, $43.13 Canadian. Tried to get an upgrade code to ABSB 2 in 2013. Never heard back, despite trying every email address I could find. Pretty disappointing. I hope you're doing well, though. But I was sad.
    - techbear 5y ago
      I'm sorry. Contact me at https://www.artemisspaceshipbridge.com/contact.html#/ https://www.artemisspaceshipbridge.com/contact.html#/ and I'll give you the upgrade.
smcameron 5y ago
> I wouldn't call Ryzom a world-beating blockbuster. I wouldn't either. But you've already got two open source alternatives to Artemis, and you're asking this guy to risk his job on a gamble in which the odds are incredibly stacked against him. I mean, if you're on the open source bandwagon, that's great, but just go with one of the open source alternatives that are right in front of you. You don't need to badger techbear.

marcodiego 5y ago

I wouldn't call Ryzom a world-beating blockbuster.

techbear 5y ago
I'm not feeling badgered. :) Since I first made Artemis, the option to open-source has been available, and I had several reasons not to do so. First, I've always been a very lone-wolf coder, and I find it hard to collaborate on big projects with anyone. Either they don't move fast enough for me, or I lose interest entirely. It's a real personal failing. Second, my code is embarrassing. I've come a long way since I started Artemis 11 years ago. But I now treat my own Artemis 2 code like a toxic waste dump; I don't wanna go back there. So the idea of exposing anyone else to my codebase isn't exciting. Third, I've actually made very good money from Artemis. I don't make much now, but at the height of Artemis's popularity in 2013, I made over 100k that year. I did it by asking for the sale, DRM-free, money-back-guarantee, and ensuring people that the project was still alive. Donations are great, but there's nothing wrong with asking for an honest sale.
- marcodiego 5y ago
  I'm glad you're not feeling badgered. Honest question: suppose Artemis was created by a small game studio. Suppose the studio maintained paid to use servers for people to play it on-line with most server-side processing so cheaters wouldn't have any advantage. Also suppose the entire art not freely available. Would open sourcing it affect how much money could be made from it?
- jholman 5y ago
  Bought ABSB in 2010, still got the receipt, $43.13 Canadian. Tried to get an upgrade code to ABSB 2 in 2013. Never heard back, despite trying every email address I could find. Pretty disappointing. I hope you're doing well, though. But I was sad.
  - techbear 5y ago
    I'm sorry. Contact me at https://www.artemisspaceshipbridge.com/contact.html#/ https://www.artemisspaceshipbridge.com/contact.html#/ and I'll give you the upgrade.

smcameron 5y ago

> I wouldn't call Ryzom a world-beating blockbuster. I wouldn't either. But you've already got two open source alternatives to Artemis, and you're asking this guy to risk his job on a gamble in which the odds are incredibly stacked against him. I mean, if you're on the open source bandwagon, that's great, but just go with one of the open source alternatives that are right in front of you. You don't need to badger techbear.