I think that you're lumping together two kinds of collapse "believers" together - one for which "collapse" means the collapse of civilization, and the other for

I think that you're lumping together two kinds of collapse "believers" together - one for which "collapse" means the collapse of civilization, and the other for which that word means the collapse of their country/state. The latter is much more likely, and I think that fretters of that kind are more prevalent than you think - I probably have six friends who are of the latter kind, and only one of the former. > The West _is_ going through a lot of change/political soul searching right now I believe that you're understating the situation a bit - at least, here in the United States, we're beginning to see markers of the kind of "cultural revolution" that happened in Russia in the 1910's and China in the 1960's - and while neither of those states have collapsed, exactly, tens of millions of innocent people were killed and rather unpleasant governments installed as a result. While categorically different from total civilization collapse, I don't blame my fellow Americans for starting to get nervous and start prepping like a high-school senior.