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One point I haven't seen brought up yet is the amount of interaction and forum type communications that happen in modern games within the context of CCPs wantin

One point I haven't seen brought up yet is the amount of interaction and forum type communications that happen in modern games within the context of CCPs wanting to control all online speech. The TV show Occupied (norway Okkupert) has a fun example where a militarized group uses video game live audio chat to secretly communicate and pass info. I think there are memes about COD waiting rooms too illustrating digital forums of speech, even the most dumb teenager smack talk you can think of! And that seems scary to CCP.

graderjs 5y ago
Could be, but i don't think they have a problem policing speech anywhere else, why would they particularly focus on it in games in a way to restrict the time? If it was the case there's always another online property people can occur to converse. the correct English acronym is CPC now, i think
- dillondoyle 5y ago
  Didn't know about that acronym! Yeah i think the point that they don't have a problem policing speech everywhere else kind of points out that this is just another excuse (or value add minimally). The online places that the less tech savvy majority have is shrinking.
  - graderjs 5y ago
    Yeah fair enough that's an interesting way to turn it around. I guess we come at it from different perspectives. I suppose I get you see it as the main thing the CPC is trying to do is control people's thoughts and speech and everything is subsumed to that goal and so all the other reasons are just fake pretexts in order to achieve that single goal. But I suppose I have a more broad view of the cpc's goals and while I definitely acknowledge and I'm okay to some extent with their attempts to control speech because I see the utility of them doing that and I understand the reason they try to do that. I also think they have a lot of other goals that they're trying to do. you know they are trying to create various types of social reform and get people to behave in ways that they think of as good for the country. so I do believe that this is genuinely about that; I mean they want to free up young people to do some useful work and enhance themselves and not just you know become sort of slaves to these game companies and make the money or become addicted to that kind of behavior. but I think the argument you propose is sort of an effective counter narrative to the cpc's policy argument there I guess so if people wanted to criticize it they could claim it was just you know another suppression of speech but at the same time that trope seems a little bit tired and stretched thin particularly I think if you look at the realities of what they do achieve and I think from the point of view of a CPC adversary you know the danger of using thinly stretched tropes is they lose value and they lose weight over time. so if that's your bag I suggesy coming up with sort of a constantly you know updating set of counter narratives. because that's certainly what the CPC narrative engineers and propagandists are doing they are always refining their rhetoric and their arguments so if you want to compete you can't do it with a tired thin stretch trope you have to kind of constantly be innovating. Hope that helps! ;P ;) xx
c0nducktr 5y ago
I recall back during the early days of the "war on terror" Afghanistan war / Iraq war, there were statements that terrorists were using WoW servers for planning attacks lol Edit: Found a story about it - https://www.wired.com/2008/09/world-of-warcra/ https://www.wired.com/2008/09/world-of-warcra/ > Toavs, for one, believes that spies will have to spend more time in virtual worlds like WoW, if they want to have a hope of keeping tabs on what goes on inside 'em. Which means, some day soon, we might find secret agents in World of Warcraft, along with the druids and orcs and night elves. Truly absurd. Sounds to me like someone at the CIA just wants to play WoW instead of working.

graderjs 5y ago

Could be, but i don't think they have a problem policing speech anywhere else, why would they particularly focus on it in games in a way to restrict the time? If it was the case there's always another online property people can occur to converse. the correct English acronym is CPC now, i think

dillondoyle 5y ago
Didn't know about that acronym! Yeah i think the point that they don't have a problem policing speech everywhere else kind of points out that this is just another excuse (or value add minimally). The online places that the less tech savvy majority have is shrinking.
- graderjs 5y ago
  Yeah fair enough that's an interesting way to turn it around. I guess we come at it from different perspectives. I suppose I get you see it as the main thing the CPC is trying to do is control people's thoughts and speech and everything is subsumed to that goal and so all the other reasons are just fake pretexts in order to achieve that single goal. But I suppose I have a more broad view of the cpc's goals and while I definitely acknowledge and I'm okay to some extent with their attempts to control speech because I see the utility of them doing that and I understand the reason they try to do that. I also think they have a lot of other goals that they're trying to do. you know they are trying to create various types of social reform and get people to behave in ways that they think of as good for the country. so I do believe that this is genuinely about that; I mean they want to free up young people to do some useful work and enhance themselves and not just you know become sort of slaves to these game companies and make the money or become addicted to that kind of behavior. but I think the argument you propose is sort of an effective counter narrative to the cpc's policy argument there I guess so if people wanted to criticize it they could claim it was just you know another suppression of speech but at the same time that trope seems a little bit tired and stretched thin particularly I think if you look at the realities of what they do achieve and I think from the point of view of a CPC adversary you know the danger of using thinly stretched tropes is they lose value and they lose weight over time. so if that's your bag I suggesy coming up with sort of a constantly you know updating set of counter narratives. because that's certainly what the CPC narrative engineers and propagandists are doing they are always refining their rhetoric and their arguments so if you want to compete you can't do it with a tired thin stretch trope you have to kind of constantly be innovating. Hope that helps! ;P ;) xx

c0nducktr 5y ago

I recall back during the early days of the "war on terror" Afghanistan war / Iraq war, there were statements that terrorists were using WoW servers for planning attacks lol Edit: Found a story about it - https://www.wired.com/2008/09/world-of-warcra/ https://www.wired.com/2008/09/world-of-warcra/ > Toavs, for one, believes that spies will have to spend more time in virtual worlds like WoW, if they want to have a hope of keeping tabs on what goes on inside 'em. Which means, some day soon, we might find secret agents in World of Warcraft, along with the druids and orcs and night elves. Truly absurd. Sounds to me like someone at the CIA just wants to play WoW instead of working.