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> I have never seen more broken, ineffective policing than here When I moved from NYC to San Francisco I was genuinely surprised how much I missed & appreciate

by rkk3 5y ago

> I have never seen more broken, ineffective policing than here When I moved from NYC to San Francisco I was genuinely surprised how much I missed & appreciated the NYPD.

ryan_lane 5y ago
Because the SFPD is even more fucked up than the NYPD? They spend all day going around harassing homeless people. I've watched them kick people inside their tents after they didn't move in a neighborhood they normally do hourly sweeps in. And don't tell me how crime in SF is so terrible. It's at historic lows, and in comparison to a lot of cities, the amount of crime is essentially non-existent. The police don't reduce crime, from what I can tell, in any city, using the tactics that they do. Crime seems to correlate more with poverty and ability to afford basic necessities more than anything.
- bigcorp-slave 5y ago
  I don’t understand how on earth you could come to your conclusions if you actually live in SF. Large parts of San Francisco are a nightmare in large part because of a near total absence of law enforcement. I cannot imagine what cities you could be thinking of, unless you’re thinking of the gang warfare in parts of Chicago. Property crime in SF in particular is at a comically bad level. There is a widespread institutional unwillingness to do anything that might be perceived as hurting poor people, so instead we just let grifters and junkies clean out entire stores (not kidding, we don’t enforce laws against theft below $900), shit and piss everywhere, leave used needles on our sidewalks, and contaminate all our public spaces with tent cities. And don’t forget the constant and unceasing drumbeat of car breakins! Everyone I know here has a story of crime or horror that has happened to them because of the hands-off attitude toward crime here. When I was a kid, people told me, it’s important to have an open mind, but not so open your brain falls out. SF attitude toward street crime is well past that point.
  - ryan_lane 5y ago
    I've lived in SF for the past 10 years. Yes, there's car break-ins and bike thefts. There's homeless people in parts of the mission, and the tenderloin. Most of what you describe here isn't going to be helped by increase police presence (the areas you're describing have the highest police presence in the city, and it's been like this since forever). These things are primarily related to poverty and the hate of the homeless. Want less shit on the streets? Give the homeless access to bathrooms. Want less needles on the streets? Implement needle exchanges. Want less car break-ins and bike theft? Have fewer poor people by making sure they're paid enough, the rents are low enough to pay, and by providing housing to the homeless (most homeless people in SF were living in SF and housed in the past). Putting poor people and drug users in jail hasn't solved the problem in the past, and won't make them better in the future. The police spend all day taking all their shit away, making them even poorer.
    - rkk3 5y ago
      Want the police to arrest someone for your home invasion? Your Office robbery? Your car theft? Yes I do. And the most ridiculous thin is that they will not always arrest the perpetrator because the courts don't find these crimes a priority.
      - ryan_lane 5y ago
        I hate to break it to you, but the police don't do this anywhere. When I lived in New Orleans my apartment was robbed and when the police came, I asked when they'd followup and the officer literally laughed at me. With the exception of select violent crimes, the police don't investigate crimes. For those select violent crimes, the percentage they solve is extremely low. Also, please don't confuse home invasion for burglary. I know this is some weird propaganda point for you Chesa recallers, but there's a massive difference between the two, and the former the courts do care about. I think they should take burglary more seriously, but even if the courts did, the police still wouldn't.
    - bigcorp-slave 5y ago
      No one is entitled to live in SF. The problems you describe are not caused by hate of the homeless, but the opposite - bleeding heart tolerance of their destruction of this city.

by rkk3 5y ago

> I have never seen more broken, ineffective policing than here When I moved from NYC to San Francisco I was genuinely surprised how much I missed & appreciated the NYPD.

ryan_lane 5y ago

Because the SFPD is even more fucked up than the NYPD? They spend all day going around harassing homeless people. I've watched them kick people inside their tents after they didn't move in a neighborhood they normally do hourly sweeps in. And don't tell me how crime in SF is so terrible. It's at historic lows, and in comparison to a lot of cities, the amount of crime is essentially non-existent. The police don't reduce crime, from what I can tell, in any city, using the tactics that they do. Crime seems to correlate more with poverty and ability to afford basic necessities more than anything.

bigcorp-slave 5y ago
I don’t understand how on earth you could come to your conclusions if you actually live in SF. Large parts of San Francisco are a nightmare in large part because of a near total absence of law enforcement. I cannot imagine what cities you could be thinking of, unless you’re thinking of the gang warfare in parts of Chicago. Property crime in SF in particular is at a comically bad level. There is a widespread institutional unwillingness to do anything that might be perceived as hurting poor people, so instead we just let grifters and junkies clean out entire stores (not kidding, we don’t enforce laws against theft below $900), shit and piss everywhere, leave used needles on our sidewalks, and contaminate all our public spaces with tent cities. And don’t forget the constant and unceasing drumbeat of car breakins! Everyone I know here has a story of crime or horror that has happened to them because of the hands-off attitude toward crime here. When I was a kid, people told me, it’s important to have an open mind, but not so open your brain falls out. SF attitude toward street crime is well past that point.
- ryan_lane 5y ago
  I've lived in SF for the past 10 years. Yes, there's car break-ins and bike thefts. There's homeless people in parts of the mission, and the tenderloin. Most of what you describe here isn't going to be helped by increase police presence (the areas you're describing have the highest police presence in the city, and it's been like this since forever). These things are primarily related to poverty and the hate of the homeless. Want less shit on the streets? Give the homeless access to bathrooms. Want less needles on the streets? Implement needle exchanges. Want less car break-ins and bike theft? Have fewer poor people by making sure they're paid enough, the rents are low enough to pay, and by providing housing to the homeless (most homeless people in SF were living in SF and housed in the past). Putting poor people and drug users in jail hasn't solved the problem in the past, and won't make them better in the future. The police spend all day taking all their shit away, making them even poorer.
  - rkk3 5y ago
    Want the police to arrest someone for your home invasion? Your Office robbery? Your car theft? Yes I do. And the most ridiculous thin is that they will not always arrest the perpetrator because the courts don't find these crimes a priority.
    - ryan_lane 5y ago
      I hate to break it to you, but the police don't do this anywhere. When I lived in New Orleans my apartment was robbed and when the police came, I asked when they'd followup and the officer literally laughed at me. With the exception of select violent crimes, the police don't investigate crimes. For those select violent crimes, the percentage they solve is extremely low. Also, please don't confuse home invasion for burglary. I know this is some weird propaganda point for you Chesa recallers, but there's a massive difference between the two, and the former the courts do care about. I think they should take burglary more seriously, but even if the courts did, the police still wouldn't.
  - bigcorp-slave 5y ago
    No one is entitled to live in SF. The problems you describe are not caused by hate of the homeless, but the opposite - bleeding heart tolerance of their destruction of this city.