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While it may be a higher initial investment, emacs doesn't enforce any key bindings, just sets defaults and many people rebind them. Nothing prevents you from c

While it may be a higher initial investment, emacs doesn't enforce any key bindings, just sets defaults and many people rebind them. Nothing prevents you from creating or finding bindings of your suiting

selfhoster11 5y ago
Key bindings are just one problem. Fundamentally, I don't want to put in the work just to drag Emacs out of the 1980s/1970s and into the modern day, or learn Emacs-specific concepts, when my existing tools already are ready to use from install time and already require no adjustment to my mindset because they use modern terminology etc.
crispyambulance 5y ago
> it may be a higher initial investment It IS a MASSIVE investment in time and effort to learn something that will appear as an obstacle MONTHS before it becomes second nature. Plus you spend the rest of you natural life fussing with your .emacs file.
- medstrom 5y ago
  I thought that would be the case too, but after a few years and after adopting Doom Emacs, I've reached a stable flow. I don't fuss with it anymore. I just write new commands occasionally.
  - axiosgunnar 5y ago
    > after a few years […] I've reached a stable flow Do you guys not see the problem? :-)
    - medstrom 5y ago
      Nope :-)
      - axiosgunnar 5y ago
        Main thing you're happy :-)
  - lytefm 5y ago
    Great about Doom Emacs: - has sensible VIM keybindings, no need to learn the Emacs ones - has batteries included, no need to tweak the config more than "yes, I'd like to activate Magit" makes it possible to actually be productive with org-mode within an hour.
- chimprich 5y ago
  It doesn't take months to get familiar with Emacs. You can be quite effective after an hour, although I've been using it for a couple of decades and I'm still improving. I feel like of all the tools I've learnt to use, Emacs has had the greatest return on investment.

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While it may be a higher initial investment, emacs doesn't enforce any key bindings, just sets defaults and many people rebind them. Nothing prevents you from c

by cyberbanjo 5y ago

selfhoster11 5y ago
Key bindings are just one problem. Fundamentally, I don't want to put in the work just to drag Emacs out of the 1980s/1970s and into the modern day, or learn Emacs-specific concepts, when my existing tools already are ready to use from install time and already require no adjustment to my mindset because they use modern terminology etc.
crispyambulance 5y ago
> it may be a higher initial investment It IS a MASSIVE investment in time and effort to learn something that will appear as an obstacle MONTHS before it becomes second nature. Plus you spend the rest of you natural life fussing with your .emacs file.
- medstrom 5y ago
  I thought that would be the case too, but after a few years and after adopting Doom Emacs, I've reached a stable flow. I don't fuss with it anymore. I just write new commands occasionally.
  - axiosgunnar 5y ago
    > after a few years […] I've reached a stable flow Do you guys not see the problem? :-)
    - medstrom 5y ago
      Nope :-)
      - axiosgunnar 5y ago
        Main thing you're happy :-)
  - lytefm 5y ago
    Great about Doom Emacs: - has sensible VIM keybindings, no need to learn the Emacs ones - has batteries included, no need to tweak the config more than "yes, I'd like to activate Magit" makes it possible to actually be productive with org-mode within an hour.
- chimprich 5y ago
  It doesn't take months to get familiar with Emacs. You can be quite effective after an hour, although I've been using it for a couple of decades and I'm still improving. I feel like of all the tools I've learnt to use, Emacs has had the greatest return on investment.