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They kind of do actually, most TLDs AFAIK need to resolve to some sort of registered person or organization eventually.

by novok 5y ago

lucb1e 5y ago
Is Iceland the only country that does not? This would have been interesting info for the article.
- tephra 5y ago
  According to ISNICs bylaws they do have a dispute mechanism: Article 31 A Board of Appeals handles disputes regarding the registration of domains. The Board of Appeals is autonomous and independent. ISNIC carries out decisions of the Board within 10 days after they have been passed or on the next business day thereafter, if the current registrant does not accept the verdict. ISNIC will not carry out the Board of Appeal's judgements if legal proceedings have been instigated in respect of the same issue or an injunction been placed on the use of the domain in question before the Board of Appeals has reached a decision. Cases involving the registration of domains or refusal to register domains may be referred to the Board of Appeals.
foxfluff 5y ago
I have domains on a European ccTLD. This is what they "resolve to": holder.............: Private person registrar..........: Private person The registrar's name (that's me) used to be visible but that changed with stronger privacy requirements, soon after GDPR. European trademark & hate speech laws (plus dns blocking of various domains associated with pornography or piracy) probably still apply so .is could be a free-er choice.
- lucb1e 5y ago
  It's still registered though. Check any .nl domain on https://sidn.nl/en https://sidn.nl/en (you could try to put 'rop' in the 'check domain name' box), you just need to set a checkmark and agree to the Google terms of service to resolve their captcha and off you go.
  - foxfluff 5y ago
    Of course a domain is registered if it's registered. It's just that different countries offer different degrees of privacy for the holder.
    - lucb1e 5y ago
      Sure but I mean it's centrally registered in the central WHOIS database. Of course the registrar has whatever data you put in their order form, that's obvious enough; what I mean is that they still forward your personal info to a central registry and the only thing GDPR changed about the WHOIS database is output filtering, or in SIDN's case not even that. I find it totally weird and invasive that this must be centrally registered in the first place (I grew up with my parents telling me not to use my real name anywhere online, let alone put it in a public database; maybe the problem is that I wanted a domain as a teenager and now it weirds me out?). Using privacy options means my paid-for domain is now not legally mine and I can't make use of any dispute procedure because the registry organisation has nothing in place for when my real name is not tracked in their database.
      - CydeWeys 5y ago
        How can you expect it to be legally yours if your name isn't even recorded as being the owner anywhere? It seems like you have two fundamentally exclusive desires here: Complete anonymity, but also bulletproof ownership. I guess there's some blockchain solutions that meet your requirements, but no one uses them. Nope also that e.g. land ownership is recorded and publicly accessible.
        lucb1e 5y ago
        > I guess there's some blockchain solutions Hah, but nah, way simpler: submit a hash. No chain that needs to be kept alive, just a simple old commitment scheme[1]. Or even just a name that you pick for yourself: similar to how authors can have the benefits of copyright without revealing their real name, why ought one not be able to operate lucb1e.com under the worldwide unique nickname lucb1e? [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commitment_scheme https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commitment_scheme
- throw0101a 5y ago
  For .ca in Canada, which is administered by CIRA which is a non-profit corporation, the following is the policy: -- When doing a WHOIS lookup, you can find details such as: Status (i.e. if a domain is currently available or registered) The creation, expiry, and updated dates Registrar information Registrant information* Administrative, Technical and Billing Contacts* *The registrant name and administrative and technical contact information of non-individual registrants, such as corporations, is displayed by default. The registrant name and administrative and technical contact information of individuals, such as Canadian citizens or permanent residents is not displayed in WHOIS per the CIRA Privacy Policy. Generally non-individuals are public and individuals are private. -- * https://www.cira.ca/ca-domains/whois https://www.cira.ca/ca-domains/whois
SpelingBeeChamp 5y ago
I had an interesting experience with the registrar of a less-known ccTLD. I was happy to get my company’s three-letter domain at a fitting ccTLD, and had reluctantly accepted that the TLD doesn’t allow WHOIS privacy. Shortly thereafter I was straightening out a name server issue out with my registrar and I mentioned the WHOIS privacy bummer. Their response was something like “Oh, no problem. I’ll change it.” Our WHOIS entry now has our registrar’s version of “Domains by Proxy” as the contact, despite the ccTLD not allowing Whois privacy. (And it was free.)

They kind of do actually, most TLDs AFAIK need to resolve to some sort of registered person or organization eventually.

by novok 5y ago

They kind of do actually, most TLDs AFAIK need to resolve to some sort of registered person or organization eventually.

lucb1e 5y ago

Is Iceland the only country that does not? This would have been interesting info for the article.

tephra 5y ago
According to ISNICs bylaws they do have a dispute mechanism: Article 31 A Board of Appeals handles disputes regarding the registration of domains. The Board of Appeals is autonomous and independent. ISNIC carries out decisions of the Board within 10 days after they have been passed or on the next business day thereafter, if the current registrant does not accept the verdict. ISNIC will not carry out the Board of Appeal's judgements if legal proceedings have been instigated in respect of the same issue or an injunction been placed on the use of the domain in question before the Board of Appeals has reached a decision. Cases involving the registration of domains or refusal to register domains may be referred to the Board of Appeals.

foxfluff 5y ago

I have domains on a European ccTLD. This is what they "resolve to": holder.............: Private person registrar..........: Private person The registrar's name (that's me) used to be visible but that changed with stronger privacy requirements, soon after GDPR. European trademark & hate speech laws (plus dns blocking of various domains associated with pornography or piracy) probably still apply so .is could be a free-er choice.

lucb1e 5y ago
It's still registered though. Check any .nl domain on https://sidn.nl/en https://sidn.nl/en (you could try to put 'rop' in the 'check domain name' box), you just need to set a checkmark and agree to the Google terms of service to resolve their captcha and off you go.
- foxfluff 5y ago
  Of course a domain is registered if it's registered. It's just that different countries offer different degrees of privacy for the holder.
  - lucb1e 5y ago
    Sure but I mean it's centrally registered in the central WHOIS database. Of course the registrar has whatever data you put in their order form, that's obvious enough; what I mean is that they still forward your personal info to a central registry and the only thing GDPR changed about the WHOIS database is output filtering, or in SIDN's case not even that. I find it totally weird and invasive that this must be centrally registered in the first place (I grew up with my parents telling me not to use my real name anywhere online, let alone put it in a public database; maybe the problem is that I wanted a domain as a teenager and now it weirds me out?). Using privacy options means my paid-for domain is now not legally mine and I can't make use of any dispute procedure because the registry organisation has nothing in place for when my real name is not tracked in their database.
    - CydeWeys 5y ago
      How can you expect it to be legally yours if your name isn't even recorded as being the owner anywhere? It seems like you have two fundamentally exclusive desires here: Complete anonymity, but also bulletproof ownership. I guess there's some blockchain solutions that meet your requirements, but no one uses them. Nope also that e.g. land ownership is recorded and publicly accessible.
      - lucb1e 5y ago
        > I guess there's some blockchain solutions Hah, but nah, way simpler: submit a hash. No chain that needs to be kept alive, just a simple old commitment scheme[1]. Or even just a name that you pick for yourself: similar to how authors can have the benefits of copyright without revealing their real name, why ought one not be able to operate lucb1e.com under the worldwide unique nickname lucb1e? [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commitment_scheme https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commitment_scheme
throw0101a 5y ago
For .ca in Canada, which is administered by CIRA which is a non-profit corporation, the following is the policy: -- When doing a WHOIS lookup, you can find details such as: Status (i.e. if a domain is currently available or registered) The creation, expiry, and updated dates Registrar information Registrant information* Administrative, Technical and Billing Contacts* *The registrant name and administrative and technical contact information of non-individual registrants, such as corporations, is displayed by default. The registrant name and administrative and technical contact information of individuals, such as Canadian citizens or permanent residents is not displayed in WHOIS per the CIRA Privacy Policy. Generally non-individuals are public and individuals are private. -- * https://www.cira.ca/ca-domains/whois https://www.cira.ca/ca-domains/whois

SpelingBeeChamp 5y ago

I had an interesting experience with the registrar of a less-known ccTLD. I was happy to get my company’s three-letter domain at a fitting ccTLD, and had reluctantly accepted that the TLD doesn’t allow WHOIS privacy. Shortly thereafter I was straightening out a name server issue out with my registrar and I mentioned the WHOIS privacy bummer. Their response was something like “Oh, no problem. I’ll change it.” Our WHOIS entry now has our registrar’s version of “Domains by Proxy” as the contact, despite the ccTLD not allowing Whois privacy. (And it was free.)