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Last time I was looking into org-mode, I ran across an extremely frequent refrain of "there are no 3rd party tools for it, because there is no spec". And then

by Groxx 5y ago

Last time I was looking into org-mode, I ran across an extremely frequent refrain of "there are no 3rd party tools for it, because there is no spec". And then I looked for apps that'd work with it anyway, and came up shockingly short, though some of the most-trivial things generally worked. (orgzly is the one I ended up with. it's pretty good, definitely recommended for anyone doing this) Has that improved? It seems fine if you do everything from the CLI (or similar), but emacs is a little difficult to use on a phone.

nanna 5y ago
What sort of third party tools were you after? And when did you have a go?
- Groxx 5y ago
  ~3 years ago, and literally anything. I was trying to see if org-mode could serve as a long-term store of info (i.e. decades), so multi-OS and "likely to have other working implementations" or "can re-build by hand if necessary" was critical. Since then I've just settled on a pile of markdown/commonmark files that interlink when desired, and I'm pretty happy with that. Everything essentially just said "use emacs, that's the only implementation and the only spec". So I tried orgzly for a bit (it's handy), but ultimately decided it's a "hard no" for things with only one impl.
tgbugs 5y ago
We're working on a formal grammar and a test suite that can be used to specify expected behavior. See the linked mailing list thread [0] for pointers to some of the interested parties. 0. https://orgmode.org/list/CA+G3_POBAB1QX1Zv8q9sjFh4KHUHVmaNXp3XO7__6eoSdXKoyA@mail.gmail.com/ https://orgmode.org/list/CA+G3_POBAB1QX1Zv8q9sjFh4KHUHVmaNXp...
- happy-dude 5y ago
  I just wanted to chime in and mention that the folks who wrote organice[0] also came up with an EBNF grammar[1] for org-mode. Also of tangential interest is that work is actively being done on creating a tree-sitter version[2] of the grammar, although that work is not public (yet). [0] https://github.com/200ok-ch/organice https://github.com/200ok-ch/organice [1] https://github.com/200ok-ch/org-parser/blob/master/resources/org.ebnf https://github.com/200ok-ch/org-parser/blob/master/resources... [2] https://github.com/kristijanhusak/orgmode.nvim/issues/31#issuecomment-889875621 https://github.com/kristijanhusak/orgmode.nvim/issues/31#iss...
- Groxx 5y ago
  That is great to hear, thanks! Hopefully it'll bring about a new wave of wider use :)

by Groxx 5y ago

nanna 5y ago

What sort of third party tools were you after? And when did you have a go?

Groxx 5y ago
~3 years ago, and literally anything. I was trying to see if org-mode could serve as a long-term store of info (i.e. decades), so multi-OS and "likely to have other working implementations" or "can re-build by hand if necessary" was critical. Since then I've just settled on a pile of markdown/commonmark files that interlink when desired, and I'm pretty happy with that. Everything essentially just said "use emacs, that's the only implementation and the only spec". So I tried orgzly for a bit (it's handy), but ultimately decided it's a "hard no" for things with only one impl.

tgbugs 5y ago

We're working on a formal grammar and a test suite that can be used to specify expected behavior. See the linked mailing list thread [0] for pointers to some of the interested parties. 0. https://orgmode.org/list/CA+G3_POBAB1QX1Zv8q9sjFh4KHUHVmaNXp3XO7__6eoSdXKoyA@mail.gmail.com/ https://orgmode.org/list/CA+G3_POBAB1QX1Zv8q9sjFh4KHUHVmaNXp...

happy-dude 5y ago
I just wanted to chime in and mention that the folks who wrote organice[0] also came up with an EBNF grammar[1] for org-mode. Also of tangential interest is that work is actively being done on creating a tree-sitter version[2] of the grammar, although that work is not public (yet). [0] https://github.com/200ok-ch/organice https://github.com/200ok-ch/organice [1] https://github.com/200ok-ch/org-parser/blob/master/resources/org.ebnf https://github.com/200ok-ch/org-parser/blob/master/resources... [2] https://github.com/kristijanhusak/orgmode.nvim/issues/31#issuecomment-889875621 https://github.com/kristijanhusak/orgmode.nvim/issues/31#iss...
Groxx 5y ago
That is great to hear, thanks! Hopefully it'll bring about a new wave of wider use :)