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That doesn't mean the copyright ownership disappeared. Those either got acquired/merged into another entity or liquidated in case of bankruptcy.

mikepurvis 5y ago
Right, but that's unlikely to be a scenario where there's any enforcement going on.
- fnord77 5y ago
  If this were tried, the present copyright holders would come out of the woodwork and enforcement would happen pretty quickly.
  - zozbot234 5y ago
    That's irrelevant in many cases where you want to support existing hardware. Clean room reverse engineering for interop purposes is allowed under copyright law.
    - mikepurvis 5y ago
      Sure, but in fairness, this thread is about bypassing the copy protection in the existing software. Which I'm also arguing is safe, but it is not as obviously safe as a clean room reverse engineering effort.
  - mikepurvis 5y ago
    Are there actual cases of this on the books? I'd be pretty surprised if a judge was like "ah yes the defendant's consultancy modified a piece of industrial control software that you haven't given a thought to in three decades to make it run on a modern computer and not require a parallel port dongle, and that's definitely a DMCA violation and you've been harmed by it and deserve all the money."
    - sedev 5y ago
      "Laches" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laches_(equity) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laches_(equity) is probably a relevant concept here. In a scenario like the one you're describing, the delay is likely to be taken into account, but it's unlikely to be the whole of the argument.
      - HPsquared 5y ago
        As I understand it (IANAL), the delay period for laches only starts when the complainant becomes aware of the violation.
  - userbinator 5y ago
    I'll reiterate my comment from a few parents up: This is currently happening, and no, the copyright holders either don't even know, don't care, or are truly gone (even as far as being deceased.)
Dork1234 5y ago
And the software is most likely owned by the competitor that sells said "new" software that most likely doesn't fit the niche anymore. They normally refuse to re-license even without having to give updates/support.
coryrc 5y ago
The hardware failing doesn't take away their legal right to operate the software, does it? (Maybe the contract says "for the life of this dongle?")

mikepurvis 5y ago

Right, but that's unlikely to be a scenario where there's any enforcement going on.

fnord77 5y ago
If this were tried, the present copyright holders would come out of the woodwork and enforcement would happen pretty quickly.
- zozbot234 5y ago
  That's irrelevant in many cases where you want to support existing hardware. Clean room reverse engineering for interop purposes is allowed under copyright law.
  - mikepurvis 5y ago
    Sure, but in fairness, this thread is about bypassing the copy protection in the existing software. Which I'm also arguing is safe, but it is not as obviously safe as a clean room reverse engineering effort.
- mikepurvis 5y ago
  Are there actual cases of this on the books? I'd be pretty surprised if a judge was like "ah yes the defendant's consultancy modified a piece of industrial control software that you haven't given a thought to in three decades to make it run on a modern computer and not require a parallel port dongle, and that's definitely a DMCA violation and you've been harmed by it and deserve all the money."
  - sedev 5y ago
    "Laches" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laches_(equity) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laches_(equity) is probably a relevant concept here. In a scenario like the one you're describing, the delay is likely to be taken into account, but it's unlikely to be the whole of the argument.
    - HPsquared 5y ago
      As I understand it (IANAL), the delay period for laches only starts when the complainant becomes aware of the violation.
- userbinator 5y ago
  I'll reiterate my comment from a few parents up: This is currently happening, and no, the copyright holders either don't even know, don't care, or are truly gone (even as far as being deceased.)

Dork1234 5y ago

And the software is most likely owned by the competitor that sells said "new" software that most likely doesn't fit the niche anymore. They normally refuse to re-license even without having to give updates/support.

coryrc 5y ago

The hardware failing doesn't take away their legal right to operate the software, does it? (Maybe the contract says "for the life of this dongle?")