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You're right that my comment smacks of "go outside, kids" and sounds belittling. It's easy for me to make the claim that I did, because I have no stake on the

You're right that my comment smacks of "go outside, kids" and sounds belittling. It's easy for me to make the claim that I did, because I have no stake on the internet. Neither my income nor my passion is dependent upon an online audience. Here I am in my armchair, "it's not a problem, you're the problem!" That's insensitive and I apologize. Still, do consider the possibility that the passion behind your response is grounded in an overinvestment in online interactions. I don't know you, and may be overstepping bounds, but this is the softer version of my point.

rektide 5y ago
> Still, do consider the possibility that the passion behind your response is grounded in an overinvestment in online interactions. Oh yeah, the ability for humans to share things with each other freely & to explore each other's thoughts is deeply overrated. You're right, you're totally on-topic here. Discussions about hosting, providers, censorship: yeah, unimportant. We can forget all the questions we face there, those were just distractions. You're totally right. Thanks for pitching in. I see much more clearly now. I was just overinvested. And furthermore, every time we have a hard issue about online topics, we just need to keep telling ourselves: online doesn't matter. Chime in every time to berate the importance of the discussion, to make sure the real topic, how unimportant being connected is, is abundantly clear. (I want to have good places to talk about what you want to talk about. And in spite of my frustration you have been trying to do a good job of instilling a question that ought to be there. I don't think this internet thing is the only way to go, but I want it to be an option. And I see the real world as safe & secure in it's offerings. But I see an active battle going on, I see huge questions of control happening over how & where & whether humanity connects & is allowed to express themselves online. There's a very real challenge, and I don't think outdoor-reality needs defending. And I feel like the people trying to engage & advance something that is important are beset at every turn by endless lines of questioning, about whether they have any value. Being constantly made to defend that a humanity where connection is possible has value at all, being distracted everytime we try to talk about the difficulties & problems connectability face, is something that I think needs an effective resistance to it, needs to be shut down and told to find their own forum to have that discussion in: recognize there is value, first, be willing to join in discussion of this struggle that the topic has to it, second.)

rektide 5y ago

> Still, do consider the possibility that the passion behind your response is grounded in an overinvestment in online interactions. Oh yeah, the ability for humans to share things with each other freely & to explore each other's thoughts is deeply overrated. You're right, you're totally on-topic here. Discussions about hosting, providers, censorship: yeah, unimportant. We can forget all the questions we face there, those were just distractions. You're totally right. Thanks for pitching in. I see much more clearly now. I was just overinvested. And furthermore, every time we have a hard issue about online topics, we just need to keep telling ourselves: online doesn't matter. Chime in every time to berate the importance of the discussion, to make sure the real topic, how unimportant being connected is, is abundantly clear. (I want to have good places to talk about what you want to talk about. And in spite of my frustration you have been trying to do a good job of instilling a question that ought to be there. I don't think this internet thing is the only way to go, but I want it to be an option. And I see the real world as safe & secure in it's offerings. But I see an active battle going on, I see huge questions of control happening over how & where & whether humanity connects & is allowed to express themselves online. There's a very real challenge, and I don't think outdoor-reality needs defending. And I feel like the people trying to engage & advance something that is important are beset at every turn by endless lines of questioning, about whether they have any value. Being constantly made to defend that a humanity where connection is possible has value at all, being distracted everytime we try to talk about the difficulties & problems connectability face, is something that I think needs an effective resistance to it, needs to be shut down and told to find their own forum to have that discussion in: recognize there is value, first, be willing to join in discussion of this struggle that the topic has to it, second.)