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Who said anything about holidays?

• beaconstudios 5y ago
  Even your freedom to travel for business - bodily autonomy is probably the most important individual freedom there is.
  • failrate 5y ago
    Explain to me even one downside of wearing a protective mask in public situations.
    • beaconstudios 5y ago
      > (I am vaccinated and wear a mask in public) I've already said this.
  • macintux 5y ago
    Even Objectivists recognize that the freedom to throw a punch ends at someone else's face.
    • beaconstudios 5y ago
      of course that's where the conflict comes in with a disease; by exercising bodily autonomy and therefore increasing the risk of covid, you also risk others' health by spreading it. But that's the benefit of the vaccine right? If you do catch it, you are extremely unlikely to have a severe case, and hopefully at some point a vaccine that prevents catching specific strains will be developed, leading to only antivaxxers getting covid. I don't know what the right answer is when such conflicts arise, but I don't see the point of pretending that the antivaxxers' claims of freedoms being violated is somehow ambiguous - and to not counter that argument would be intellectually dishonest. I do know that the right answer for me and my family is to take the vaccine and wear a mask.
    • CrazyPyroLinux 5y ago
      (Reposting here where it's more relevant.) While the saying is true that "your right to swing your arm ends where my nose begins," that argument falls apart when you try to apply it beyond one-on-one interactions with direct consequences into group generalities and indirect/indeterminable consequences, such as "creating a more dangerous environment." Prohibit things or compelling them, out of a feared or perceived potential for harm, leads down the slippery slope to 1984's "freedom is slavery."
      • macintux 5y ago
        Frankly I think the argument is idiotic even in one-on-one interactions. There’s a reason assault is illegal.
        • CrazyPyroLinux 5y ago
          Maybe you misunderstood me? "your right to swing your arm ends where my nose begins" is the "reason assault is illegal."
          • macintux 5y ago
            I should have been more explicit. Legally, “assault” does not have to involve contact, hence “assault and battery”. Assault sans battery is still a crime. Repeatedly threatening to punch someone, e.g., or throwing punches without landing them.
            • CrazyPyroLinux 5y ago
              Fair enough. My point was that declining to wear a mask or get a vaccine is very different than punching someone or even threatening to. In the context of COVID I've seen appeals to an imaginary right to feel safe, and using that to imply obligations onto others.
  • isbvhodnvemrwvn 5y ago
    You don't have right to travel abroad. If you doubt it, show up without a passport.