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I don't get why the US would not reciprocate because US coronavirus levels are so high travelers from the EU would serve more to dilute it than add to it if any

I don't get why the US would not reciprocate because US coronavirus levels are so high travelers from the EU would serve more to dilute it than add to it if anything.

duxup 5y ago
> travelers from the EU would serve more to dilute it I'm not sure there are enough to show up in numbers are there?
- whatshisface 5y ago
  The numbers wouldn't show up, but strictly speaking that would happen.
kristofferR 5y ago
Yeah, and the list of banned countries is totally stupid too. The list is short and doesn't ban countries with way more infections than the listed ones. People can travel from all over Africa for example, but not Europe. https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/travelers/from-other-countries.html https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/travelers/from-oth...
- input_sh 5y ago
  Yeah it bans only Shengen area of Europe, excluding some EU countries (Croatia, Romania, Bulgaria), the rest of the Balkans, and non-EU Eastern European countries (like Belarus, Ukraine, Moldova). It makes zero sense and it's not nearly as flexible as the EU, which adds and removes countries from the ban list frequently.
- tiondo 5y ago
  Are you suggesting that African countries have more infections than the banned European countries? Any data to support that?
rsynnott 5y ago
Depends on where in the EU and where in the US. A number of European countries would have rates higher than New York, say, but not Florida.
- whatshisface 5y ago
  That is a good point, the EU has a lower average but a truly fair policy would have a matrix of state-country combinations.
  - rsynnott 5y ago
    It's less about fairness or even effectiveness, and more about the art of the possible, to be honest. Restricting travel from France to Germany or Florida to New York would probably be _far_ more effective in controlling covid (though, even then, not all that effective; once covid is present it mostly spreads internally in practice) than US<->EU restrictions, but it's obviously far less politically feasible. I feel like there's a large element of theatrics around covid travel restrictions (except for zero-covid-strategy countries, but those are rare); it's something that's relatively easy to do, so, even though it probably isn't particularly useful in most cases, it gets done. Ireland's mandatory hotel quarantine is a nice example; it currently largely applies to countries which people rarely travel to Ireland from anyway (Brazil being the main exception). It does _not_ apply, and never has applied to, say, the UK; despite the UK having very high rates right now, travel between the UK and Ireland is far too common for it to be feasible. But at the time it was introduced, the vaccine programme was slow due to supply issues, and the government wanted to be seen to be doing _something_, so...
baggy_trough 5y ago
This is the government we're talking about - check your sense of logic at the door.
sampo 5y ago
> US coronavirus levels are so high travelers from the EU would serve more to dilute it than add to it The incidence rate among those who travel is not necessarily same as that of the whole population.

I don't get why the US would not reciprocate because US coronavirus levels are so high travelers from the EU would serve more to dilute it than add to it if anything.

duxup 5y ago

> travelers from the EU would serve more to dilute it I'm not sure there are enough to show up in numbers are there?

whatshisface 5y ago
The numbers wouldn't show up, but strictly speaking that would happen.

kristofferR 5y ago

Yeah, and the list of banned countries is totally stupid too. The list is short and doesn't ban countries with way more infections than the listed ones. People can travel from all over Africa for example, but not Europe. https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/travelers/from-other-countries.html https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/travelers/from-oth...

input_sh 5y ago
Yeah it bans only Shengen area of Europe, excluding some EU countries (Croatia, Romania, Bulgaria), the rest of the Balkans, and non-EU Eastern European countries (like Belarus, Ukraine, Moldova). It makes zero sense and it's not nearly as flexible as the EU, which adds and removes countries from the ban list frequently.
tiondo 5y ago
Are you suggesting that African countries have more infections than the banned European countries? Any data to support that?

rsynnott 5y ago

Depends on where in the EU and where in the US. A number of European countries would have rates higher than New York, say, but not Florida.

whatshisface 5y ago
That is a good point, the EU has a lower average but a truly fair policy would have a matrix of state-country combinations.
- rsynnott 5y ago
  It's less about fairness or even effectiveness, and more about the art of the possible, to be honest. Restricting travel from France to Germany or Florida to New York would probably be _far_ more effective in controlling covid (though, even then, not all that effective; once covid is present it mostly spreads internally in practice) than US<->EU restrictions, but it's obviously far less politically feasible. I feel like there's a large element of theatrics around covid travel restrictions (except for zero-covid-strategy countries, but those are rare); it's something that's relatively easy to do, so, even though it probably isn't particularly useful in most cases, it gets done. Ireland's mandatory hotel quarantine is a nice example; it currently largely applies to countries which people rarely travel to Ireland from anyway (Brazil being the main exception). It does _not_ apply, and never has applied to, say, the UK; despite the UK having very high rates right now, travel between the UK and Ireland is far too common for it to be feasible. But at the time it was introduced, the vaccine programme was slow due to supply issues, and the government wanted to be seen to be doing _something_, so...

baggy_trough 5y ago

This is the government we're talking about - check your sense of logic at the door.

sampo 5y ago

> US coronavirus levels are so high travelers from the EU would serve more to dilute it than add to it The incidence rate among those who travel is not necessarily same as that of the whole population.