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> Is this an EU “we can’t set our own monetary policy, we have to ask the ECB nicely to do it for us” thing? It's more of a "Screw you, we make the rules. What

> Is this an EU “we can’t set our own monetary policy, we have to ask the ECB nicely to do it for us” thing? It's more of a "Screw you, we make the rules. What are you going to do, sue us?" thing. The French government is notoriously one of the worst employers in the country. Think unpaid overtime, hiring undocumented workers, low wages, arbitrary requirements, etc. It's not all bad, but french government agencies notoriously have a bit of a "labor laws don't apply to us" attitude.

JPLeRouzic 5y ago
> It's more of a "Screw you, we make the rules. What are you going to do, sue us?" thing. The French government is notoriously one of the worst employers in the country. Think unpaid overtime, hiring undocumented workers, low wages, arbitrary requirements, etc. I think you made the best answer to explain my mind, thanks!
ElFitz 5y ago
> It's more of a "Screw you, we make the rules. > It's not all bad, but french government agencies notoriously have a bit of a "labor laws don't apply to us" attitude. That is sooo true. They give themselves exemptions on so many of their own laws and rules. Just as an example, junior med students working all mornings in public hospitals are paid below both minimum wage and minimum internship compensation. In some hospitals, students realised they were paid less than the bonus security guards had for having a guard dog. They also run residents (7th+ years medical student) on schedules that violate both minimum recovery time and maximum weekly working hours. But they have their own special rule too. And that’s just the public health sector. It’s just so wonderful. I too wish I could make the rules for everyone.
xxpor 5y ago
Really kind of funny/interesting how the US Federal Gov/US private sector are exactly swapped. The federal civil service (the military/intel agencies are a different story) has a very strong union and gov workers are very well known for doing exactly what is required, but nothing more ("good enough for government work"). Meanwhile, wage theft in the private sector is rampant.
- baud147258 5y ago
  > The federal civil service has a very strong union and gov workers are very well known for doing exactly what is required That's also something we have in France, with big unions like teachers' and railway workers unions (we've gotten a few nice strikes where all the trains stop for days and I think we're due one soon, I guess once covid's dealt with). And the good enough attitude certainly exists here too!

JPLeRouzic 5y ago

> It's more of a "Screw you, we make the rules. What are you going to do, sue us?" thing. The French government is notoriously one of the worst employers in the country. Think unpaid overtime, hiring undocumented workers, low wages, arbitrary requirements, etc. I think you made the best answer to explain my mind, thanks!

ElFitz 5y ago

> It's more of a "Screw you, we make the rules. > It's not all bad, but french government agencies notoriously have a bit of a "labor laws don't apply to us" attitude. That is sooo true. They give themselves exemptions on so many of their own laws and rules. Just as an example, junior med students working all mornings in public hospitals are paid below both minimum wage and minimum internship compensation. In some hospitals, students realised they were paid less than the bonus security guards had for having a guard dog. They also run residents (7th+ years medical student) on schedules that violate both minimum recovery time and maximum weekly working hours. But they have their own special rule too. And that’s just the public health sector. It’s just so wonderful. I too wish I could make the rules for everyone.

xxpor 5y ago

Really kind of funny/interesting how the US Federal Gov/US private sector are exactly swapped. The federal civil service (the military/intel agencies are a different story) has a very strong union and gov workers are very well known for doing exactly what is required, but nothing more ("good enough for government work"). Meanwhile, wage theft in the private sector is rampant.

baud147258 5y ago
> The federal civil service has a very strong union and gov workers are very well known for doing exactly what is required That's also something we have in France, with big unions like teachers' and railway workers unions (we've gotten a few nice strikes where all the trains stop for days and I think we're due one soon, I guess once covid's dealt with). And the good enough attitude certainly exists here too!