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What resources are used by cattle in Northern Europe? Just go visit Normandy, oh and btw don't forget to bring an umbrella, to witness all the missing water tha
by himinlomax 5y ago
What resources are used by cattle in Northern Europe? Just go visit Normandy, oh and btw don't forget to bring an umbrella, to witness all the missing water that happens to be falling from the sky.
- teh_klev 5y agoSee also: Scotland
- wyre 5y agoDo they grow almonds in Northern Europe? Also, Cattle in Northern Europe are not cattle in California. These two places are not comparable.
- femiagbabiaka 5y agoCattle production in the U.S. is not comparable to other countries.
- gruez 5y agoWhy not?
- femiagbabiaka 5y agoThe United States and China are the dominant producers and consumers of meat. And even between these two countries, apples to apples comparisons are not helpful as production practices are not the same.
- gruez 5y ago>apples to apples comparisons are not helpful as production practices are not the same. How are the production practices different? How do the differences relate to resource usage?
- femiagbabiaka 5y agothe differences are too many to put succinctly, they're (IMO) way behind in standards on every level as a result of exponential growth in meat consumption that is practically unprecedented. I'd start here: https://sci-hub.se/10.1126/sciadv.aar8534 https://sci-hub.se/10.1126/sciadv.aar8534
- zhengyi13 5y agoScale, I suspect. Cattle production in the US is something like 20% greater than Brazil, the next highest producer according to the first source[1] I found, producing literally 1/5 of the world's total beef. There's piles more data out there, and probably a lot more to say, but this is probably the answer to a first approximation. 1: https://beef2live.com/story-world-beef-production-ranking-countries-0-106885 https://beef2live.com/story-world-beef-production-ranking-co...
- gruez 5y ago>Cattle production in the US is something like 20% greater than Brazil, the next highest producer according to the first source[1] I found, producing literally 1/5 of the world's total beef. That's not really surprising when US has 2.26x the arable land of brazil. If you normalize for that, brazil is actually 84% more intensive than the US. The European union is even more intensive.
- femiagbabiaka 5y agowhat does "intensive" mean, and what does arable land have to do with cattle production?
- gruez 5y agoI think you're missing the point. GP claims that since the US is the top producer in the world, it's somehow different from the other countries because of "scale". That doesn't make any sense because it doesn't account for land use. Suppose there are 3 equally sized countries (A, B and C), with identical geography and livestock raising practices. Suppose A and B decided to form a union (eg. united AB or AB union). Now you can say AB union has twice the "scale" of C, and therefore you can't compare the production between AB and C. This is despite that in actuality the situation in all 3 countries are identical, "scale" doesn't have anything to do with it, and the the increased "scale" is basically due to arbitrary categorization. Normalizing livestock by arable land attempts to normalize this, since available land does have a material impact on how livestock would be raised.
- KineticLensman 5y ago> What resources are used by cattle in Northern Europe? .. oh and btw don't forget to bring an umbrella, to witness all the missing water that happens to be falling from the sky. In the UK, the resources include soya-based animal feeds imported from Brazil [0]. Cattle cannot live by rainfall alone. [0] https://www.greenpeace.org.uk/challenges/soya/ https://www.greenpeace.org.uk/challenges/soya/
- phaemon 5y agoThat's just nonsense. There is absolutely no need for UK cattle to be fed soya-based feeds and if finishing lots have recently started using them, it's for a minor percentage increase which might be financially worthwhile but certainly isn't a requirement.
- femiagbabiaka 5y agodoes the u.k. have different standards on grassfed certification? in the u.s. grassfed !== grass finished unfortunately
- ksec 5y agoAs far as I am aware there isn't a certification. Because Generally speaking UK are all Grass Fed since there are no cheap source of Grain. And these type of word play are generally allowed in Food Label.
- Zababa 5y ago> Cattle cannot live by rainfall alone. Of course they can, as long as you don't have too much of them. Animals in the wild live on rainwater alone just fine. Also Normandy isn't in the UK, it's in France. Different countries have different practices around animals.
- httpsterio 5y agoThey also require something to feed on, like grass. Water has next to no nutrients or energy.