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Pffft. Okay. That's quite a reach you've got there! ...as if any of those were ever near the same caliber as Electron in just about any aspect of user or develo

Pffft. Okay. That's quite a reach you've got there! ...as if any of those were ever near the same caliber as Electron in just about any aspect of user or developer needs. > Eventually Electron will join them. Perhaps it will, eventually, but not until we have better native desktop kits that fill the needs that Electron is serving right now and if they don't let you build apps with the most popular programming language in the world (that'd be JavaScript) then you can just forget it about it.

pjmlp 5y ago
The good thing of being an old dog at this game is seeing technology of the same caliber as Electron, whatever that is supposed to mean, come and go every couple of years. So I just tolerate it, while the pendulum reaches its point of maximum displacement.
- wayneftw 5y ago
  Yeah I've only been programming since around 1981. Sorry to burst your bubble, but you're not the only old timer around here. "Whatever that is supposed to mean", but you've still been seeing it? That makes no sense. None of those kits you listed have nearly the same robust quality of UX or DX as Electron. None of the technologies listed here even had a dependency manager (LOL). 3 of the kits weren't even cross platform! Tolerate it? By making off-topic complaints about it on every post about a desktop app built with Electron, in an attempt to deride the conversation about the actual subject? Without even have a suggestion for a decent alternative? Clearly there's some sort of disconnect with reality here.
  - pjmlp 5y ago
    Everyone is a dog on Internet, and yes I do tolerate and can't wait for something else to be the best thing ever after Electron. Decent alternatives are standard Web applications that don't help the goals of Google turning the Web into ChromeOS.
    - wayneftw 5y ago
      Sure, everyone wants to be old on the Internet. I hear these twenty somethings constantly claiming that they’re in their sixties cuz it’s cool. /s No, to tolerate something you need to have some measure of control over it in the first place. Given that you don’t have any control over Electron or other developers using it, you’re not actually tolerating anything. You have no choice in the matter. The only thing you could possibly do resembling tolerance would be to not comment on it... but you’re doing the opposite, even when nobody asked and in places you shouldn’t be. You’re essentially just sitting here sneering at the community based on your ideology and your comments are not interesting or even practical. Standard web applications that run in a browser are not an alternative and given that completely unreasonable suggestion I’ll just assume that this is satire. Good luck stemming the tide!
      - pjmlp 5y ago
        To tolerate means having to endure using Electron based tools as part of job requirements, tools that have no place on privately owned computer systems. It isn't a satire, it is the only place for applications on systems I own, either full Web or native, period. On the systems I don't own, I tolerate Chrome packaged as "desktop" application.
        wayneftw 5y ago
        Chrome is and always has been a native desktop application. Putting the word desktop in quotes doesn’t change that. I thought the satire was the suggestion that standard web apps can replace a desktop apps.
        pjmlp 5y ago
        It is, for the purposes of seeing Web pages, not for wrapping a Website into a custom build of it.
        wayneftw 5y ago
gavinray 5y ago
For whatever it's worth -- this person "pjmlp", is probably one of the most fascinating and knowledgeable personalities I've ever stumbled across on the internet. I've run across him everywhere. From places like the D-lang forums, /r/java, /r/dotnet, /r/cpp, Hacker News, decades old mailing lists for Oberon development, etc. I wish he would write more, in blog form. He seems to have been around for decades and to know many obscure things which the world has forgotten. There's also not a programming language I've ever seen him not intimately know the history and nuances of. He's like some sort of omnipresent hacker-sage. I don't write or keep a blog myself because I feel like I've got nothing useful to add to the world, but I've considered trying to interview certain obscure programmers and other people I've come across that I find really impressive and fascinating, to share their stories with the world. This person would be very on high on that list.
- wayneftw 5y ago
  Perhaps you should start a fan club.

pjmlp 5y ago

The good thing of being an old dog at this game is seeing technology of the same caliber as Electron, whatever that is supposed to mean, come and go every couple of years. So I just tolerate it, while the pendulum reaches its point of maximum displacement.

wayneftw 5y ago
Yeah I've only been programming since around 1981. Sorry to burst your bubble, but you're not the only old timer around here. "Whatever that is supposed to mean", but you've still been seeing it? That makes no sense. None of those kits you listed have nearly the same robust quality of UX or DX as Electron. None of the technologies listed here even had a dependency manager (LOL). 3 of the kits weren't even cross platform! Tolerate it? By making off-topic complaints about it on every post about a desktop app built with Electron, in an attempt to deride the conversation about the actual subject? Without even have a suggestion for a decent alternative? Clearly there's some sort of disconnect with reality here.
- pjmlp 5y ago
  Everyone is a dog on Internet, and yes I do tolerate and can't wait for something else to be the best thing ever after Electron. Decent alternatives are standard Web applications that don't help the goals of Google turning the Web into ChromeOS.
  - wayneftw 5y ago
    Sure, everyone wants to be old on the Internet. I hear these twenty somethings constantly claiming that they’re in their sixties cuz it’s cool. /s No, to tolerate something you need to have some measure of control over it in the first place. Given that you don’t have any control over Electron or other developers using it, you’re not actually tolerating anything. You have no choice in the matter. The only thing you could possibly do resembling tolerance would be to not comment on it... but you’re doing the opposite, even when nobody asked and in places you shouldn’t be. You’re essentially just sitting here sneering at the community based on your ideology and your comments are not interesting or even practical. Standard web applications that run in a browser are not an alternative and given that completely unreasonable suggestion I’ll just assume that this is satire. Good luck stemming the tide!
    - pjmlp 5y ago
      To tolerate means having to endure using Electron based tools as part of job requirements, tools that have no place on privately owned computer systems. It isn't a satire, it is the only place for applications on systems I own, either full Web or native, period. On the systems I don't own, I tolerate Chrome packaged as "desktop" application.
      - wayneftw 5y ago
        Chrome is and always has been a native desktop application. Putting the word desktop in quotes doesn’t change that. I thought the satire was the suggestion that standard web apps can replace a desktop apps.
        pjmlp 5y ago
        It is, for the purposes of seeing Web pages, not for wrapping a Website into a custom build of it.
        wayneftw 5y ago

gavinray 5y ago

For whatever it's worth -- this person "pjmlp", is probably one of the most fascinating and knowledgeable personalities I've ever stumbled across on the internet. I've run across him everywhere. From places like the D-lang forums, /r/java, /r/dotnet, /r/cpp, Hacker News, decades old mailing lists for Oberon development, etc. I wish he would write more, in blog form. He seems to have been around for decades and to know many obscure things which the world has forgotten. There's also not a programming language I've ever seen him not intimately know the history and nuances of. He's like some sort of omnipresent hacker-sage. I don't write or keep a blog myself because I feel like I've got nothing useful to add to the world, but I've considered trying to interview certain obscure programmers and other people I've come across that I find really impressive and fascinating, to share their stories with the world. This person would be very on high on that list.

wayneftw 5y ago
Perhaps you should start a fan club.