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Containers are great! But since the recent v.91 update screwed the tabs up so much, there's no quick visual way to scan and see which container-type each tab is

Containers are great! But since the recent v.91 update screwed the tabs up so much, there's no quick visual way to scan and see which container-type each tab is. Great stuff, well done Mozilla! What's the point in being able to customise a container's appearance, including colour, if they're not described on the tab itself?

syshum 5y ago
TreeStyleTabs... next to Containers, it is the only reason I still use FF, if FF drops support for either TreeStyleTabs or Containers there will be zero reason for me to continue using it.
- generalizations 5y ago
  Sideberry is TST with better perfomance, FYI. Also, right there with ya - treed tabs is the only reason I stick with FF.
  - BlackLotus89 5y ago
    Better performance not necessarily, but you can set custom rules for containers. You can set the user agent and proxy settings on a container base which is nice
    - generalizations 5y ago
      Firefox used to freeze up periodically when I used TST, and that went away when I switched. That's all I meant.
      - BlackLotus89 5y ago
        Yup went away from TST for the same reason. Made a performance comparison a few weeks ago to compare sidebery with TST (I got a few thousand open tabs, spread over ~50 windows) and didn't get the perfomance penalty I used to. Side note: some plugins "crashed" when testing TST, sidebery and tab stash at the same time. Sidebery seemed to be the most stable. (had at one time no adblock anymore so that's something) Side note 2: I really like some things about sidebery for instance the grouping of tabs and the possibility to see your bookmarks. TST needs to be extended through plugins for this, but some functionality is really only available in certain plugins. Side note 3: The tab handling of sidebery and TST feels quite different... If you are used to the normal tab handling you will be confused with sidebery... a lot (you can reconfigure it to be more vanilla, but I had multiple problems configuring the plugins). The tab switching isn't at all obvious at times. All in all I would recommend everyone to play around with containers and vertical tabs :) I know this little rant here went on a huge tangent from the article, but I wanted to clarify my experience with the named plugins.
  - eitland 5y ago
    For those interested in TST this bug might be worth watching: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1332447 https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1332447 There is also some activity on https://ideas.mozilla.org https://ideas.mozilla.org and I think you can even vote there. Edit, here is one idea already posted and approved for voting: https://mozilla.crowdicity.com/post/721353 https://mozilla.crowdicity.com/post/721353
  - collinvandyck76 5y ago
    How do I get over the reluctance to grant an extension to "Access your data for all websites"? I would love to have some of these extensions but it feels like a huge security risk.
    - input_sh 5y ago
      By reading the feature set and realising that some of them cannot work without that permission. For example, you can't have a password manager, a CSS style injector, or an ad-blocker without that access. After taking a quick look at the add-on from the comment above, I bet it's the snapshots feature that requires it.
    - kbenson 5y ago
      If you really want an extension that requires that, and if it has a repo, you could vet the code a bit (it's JavaScript, so somewhat accessible), and load it as an extension from a file after packaging it up. Alternatively, you can install it, look in your profile dir until you find that extension, and look through all the code it's using, and turn off automatically update extensions in Firefox when you're happy you want to keep it. People can say what they will about the great extension convergence where Firefox switched to Chrome style extensions, but having everything just be JavaScript that you can easily review yourself is pretty nice.
ohgodplsno 5y ago
You might need to get your vision checked. Each tab in a container gets a colored top border. And it's sizeable.
- animesh 5y ago
  Not anymore. Please check again. I don't see the colored top border on container tabs. I'm on FF 91.0.2 on Win 10.
  - scns 5y ago
    Form over function? Have you considered opening an issue? If any Firefox devs read this please revert that change.
    - animesh 5y ago
      https://www.reddit.com/r/firefox/comments/ny2199/the_facebook_container_tab_indicator_in_firefox/ https://www.reddit.com/r/firefox/comments/ny2199/the_faceboo... As per the /r/firefox subreddit, Mozilla refuses to listen / prioritize this issue.
    - animesh 5y ago
      PEBKAC :) Just found that I had the browser.proton.enabled set to false. Toggling it brought back the border on container tabs. Still don't like the distinction between active tabs and container tabs though.
  - Semaphor 5y ago
    https://i.imgur.com/J7iDK21.png https://i.imgur.com/J7iDK21.png 91.0.2 on Win 10 as well
    - animesh 5y ago
      I am using the System theme and don't see it. Huh. I don't remember trying any about:config fixes as well recently. Wonder what is different between our versions.
thunderbong 5y ago
I use 'Container Tabs Sidebar' [0] add-on which gives me a tree-style view of the different pages opened in their corresponding containers. [0]: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/container-tabs-sidebar/ https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/container-tab...
croutonwagon 5y ago
i think tweaking browser.proton in about:config will break this. Saw this on Reddit a while back when looking at why my containers were bugged (for a totally different reason.
hoppyhoppy2 5y ago
If you previously disabled the Proton redesign in about:config then you need to undo that setting. It no longer disables Proton, but it does interfere with the colored line that indicates which container each tab is a part of.

syshum 5y ago

TreeStyleTabs... next to Containers, it is the only reason I still use FF, if FF drops support for either TreeStyleTabs or Containers there will be zero reason for me to continue using it.

generalizations 5y ago
Sideberry is TST with better perfomance, FYI. Also, right there with ya - treed tabs is the only reason I stick with FF.
- BlackLotus89 5y ago
  Better performance not necessarily, but you can set custom rules for containers. You can set the user agent and proxy settings on a container base which is nice
  - generalizations 5y ago
    Firefox used to freeze up periodically when I used TST, and that went away when I switched. That's all I meant.
    - BlackLotus89 5y ago
      Yup went away from TST for the same reason. Made a performance comparison a few weeks ago to compare sidebery with TST (I got a few thousand open tabs, spread over ~50 windows) and didn't get the perfomance penalty I used to. Side note: some plugins "crashed" when testing TST, sidebery and tab stash at the same time. Sidebery seemed to be the most stable. (had at one time no adblock anymore so that's something) Side note 2: I really like some things about sidebery for instance the grouping of tabs and the possibility to see your bookmarks. TST needs to be extended through plugins for this, but some functionality is really only available in certain plugins. Side note 3: The tab handling of sidebery and TST feels quite different... If you are used to the normal tab handling you will be confused with sidebery... a lot (you can reconfigure it to be more vanilla, but I had multiple problems configuring the plugins). The tab switching isn't at all obvious at times. All in all I would recommend everyone to play around with containers and vertical tabs :) I know this little rant here went on a huge tangent from the article, but I wanted to clarify my experience with the named plugins.
- eitland 5y ago
  For those interested in TST this bug might be worth watching: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1332447 https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1332447 There is also some activity on https://ideas.mozilla.org https://ideas.mozilla.org and I think you can even vote there. Edit, here is one idea already posted and approved for voting: https://mozilla.crowdicity.com/post/721353 https://mozilla.crowdicity.com/post/721353
- collinvandyck76 5y ago
  How do I get over the reluctance to grant an extension to "Access your data for all websites"? I would love to have some of these extensions but it feels like a huge security risk.
  - input_sh 5y ago
    By reading the feature set and realising that some of them cannot work without that permission. For example, you can't have a password manager, a CSS style injector, or an ad-blocker without that access. After taking a quick look at the add-on from the comment above, I bet it's the snapshots feature that requires it.
  - kbenson 5y ago
    If you really want an extension that requires that, and if it has a repo, you could vet the code a bit (it's JavaScript, so somewhat accessible), and load it as an extension from a file after packaging it up. Alternatively, you can install it, look in your profile dir until you find that extension, and look through all the code it's using, and turn off automatically update extensions in Firefox when you're happy you want to keep it. People can say what they will about the great extension convergence where Firefox switched to Chrome style extensions, but having everything just be JavaScript that you can easily review yourself is pretty nice.

ohgodplsno 5y ago

You might need to get your vision checked. Each tab in a container gets a colored top border. And it's sizeable.

animesh 5y ago
Not anymore. Please check again. I don't see the colored top border on container tabs. I'm on FF 91.0.2 on Win 10.
- scns 5y ago
  Form over function? Have you considered opening an issue? If any Firefox devs read this please revert that change.
  - animesh 5y ago
    https://www.reddit.com/r/firefox/comments/ny2199/the_facebook_container_tab_indicator_in_firefox/ https://www.reddit.com/r/firefox/comments/ny2199/the_faceboo... As per the /r/firefox subreddit, Mozilla refuses to listen / prioritize this issue.
  - animesh 5y ago
    PEBKAC :) Just found that I had the browser.proton.enabled set to false. Toggling it brought back the border on container tabs. Still don't like the distinction between active tabs and container tabs though.
- Semaphor 5y ago
  https://i.imgur.com/J7iDK21.png https://i.imgur.com/J7iDK21.png 91.0.2 on Win 10 as well
  - animesh 5y ago
    I am using the System theme and don't see it. Huh. I don't remember trying any about:config fixes as well recently. Wonder what is different between our versions.

thunderbong 5y ago

I use 'Container Tabs Sidebar' [0] add-on which gives me a tree-style view of the different pages opened in their corresponding containers. [0]: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/container-tabs-sidebar/ https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/container-tab...

croutonwagon 5y ago

i think tweaking browser.proton in about:config will break this. Saw this on Reddit a while back when looking at why my containers were bugged (for a totally different reason.

hoppyhoppy2 5y ago

If you previously disabled the Proton redesign in about:config then you need to undo that setting. It no longer disables Proton, but it does interfere with the colored line that indicates which container each tab is a part of.