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The beauty in human creation doesn't rest entirely in the artefact. A large part of it rests in the knowledge (of the beneficiary) that another skilled human ha

The beauty in human creation doesn't rest entirely in the artefact. A large part of it rests in the knowledge (of the beneficiary) that another skilled human has dedicated time, effort, and intelligence to uniquely produce what is in front of them. It doesn't stop at music. You see it everywhere: fashion (hand-made), food (famous chefs), music (live performances), coffee (moka pots), sex (orgasm stimulated by other humans), etc. It isn't a pursuance of the best (or perfection), but of what has more soul in it. And unfortunately AI music lacks any soul.

phreeza 5y ago
I don't think AI music necessarily lacks soul, if it is used as a tool by a human. Just the same as a photograph can carry soul, not just a painting.
- yawboakye 5y ago
  Good point. I don't have an immediate response, and making a "degree of soul" argument sounds lazy to me. I'll ruminate over this for a while along the lines of what role is played by the tool, and within what range of excellence it immediately throws any piece of work.
shannifin 5y ago
> A large part of it rests in the knowledge (of the beneficiary) that another skilled human has dedicated time, effort, and intelligence to uniquely produce what is in front of them. True, but I think this is subjective guessing rather than "knowledge". After all, if I don't find a piece of art beautiful or even interesting, I don't care how much time and effort and intelligence went into it (at least in so far as an assessment of beauty goes); as an artist, I can only wish that such things were a guarantee of beauty.
- yawboakye 5y ago
  Subjective guessing could be converted into knowledge by information sharing. I believe one could be progressively persuaded to (1) sympathize with the artist, then (2) sympathize with the artefact, and maybe (3) come to cherish it. Depending on how the information is revealed, & in the hope that it is meaningful to the customer. Restaurants have long known & used this procedure—they include source of material and cooking method in the name of the food. You may have no affection for the pasta in front of you but maybe sharing the "home made" information with you could elicit a little more excitement.

phreeza 5y ago

I don't think AI music necessarily lacks soul, if it is used as a tool by a human. Just the same as a photograph can carry soul, not just a painting.

yawboakye 5y ago
Good point. I don't have an immediate response, and making a "degree of soul" argument sounds lazy to me. I'll ruminate over this for a while along the lines of what role is played by the tool, and within what range of excellence it immediately throws any piece of work.

shannifin 5y ago

> A large part of it rests in the knowledge (of the beneficiary) that another skilled human has dedicated time, effort, and intelligence to uniquely produce what is in front of them. True, but I think this is subjective guessing rather than "knowledge". After all, if I don't find a piece of art beautiful or even interesting, I don't care how much time and effort and intelligence went into it (at least in so far as an assessment of beauty goes); as an artist, I can only wish that such things were a guarantee of beauty.

yawboakye 5y ago
Subjective guessing could be converted into knowledge by information sharing. I believe one could be progressively persuaded to (1) sympathize with the artist, then (2) sympathize with the artefact, and maybe (3) come to cherish it. Depending on how the information is revealed, & in the hope that it is meaningful to the customer. Restaurants have long known & used this procedure—they include source of material and cooking method in the name of the food. You may have no affection for the pasta in front of you but maybe sharing the "home made" information with you could elicit a little more excitement.