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> Surely you see the problem here? If still not, then replace "Women" with an ethnicity or race in that statement. You can also do this with all the negative s

> Surely you see the problem here? If still not, then replace "Women" with an ethnicity or race in that statement. You can also do this with all the negative statements made about men every day. You'll quickly get banned from HN. Women already get special treatment. And by "ethnicity or race" I assume you mean "ethnicity or race that's not acceptable to make fun of", because people make negative statements about whites or asians/indians all the time.

unclebucknasty 5y ago
>You can also do this with all the negative statements made about men every day. I've never felt unfairly treated for being a man. I understand that there's a difference when speaking about in-power groups and "out-groups", especially when the latter have experienced unequal treatment at the hands of the former. So, on hearing references to "men" I don't feel personally attacked. I hear it as a metaphor for the group that has "configured the system", wield power within it, and most benefit from it. I think we can agree that men have historically held power in many societies, including the US, right? And that equal treatment of women hasn't historically been (and isn't fully now) a thing, correct? So, I think men have a special responsibility here and should be called to task when they're not meeting it. But, I mean are you really claiming there's no difference between, say, a man (as a member of the group that has traditionally held power) declaring that "Women get away with too much in society" and a woman saying "Men get away with too much in society?" >I assume you mean "ethnicity or race that's not acceptable to make fun of" No. That's not what I meant. But, what is the logic behind these kinds of comments? Are you arguing for the right to make negative statements about all racial groups and ethnicities? I mean, if instead you want to make the point that we shouldn't make negative statements about any ethnicities or racial groups, then make that point. But, your lamenting about "acceptable groups to make fun of" actually contradicts the point.

unclebucknasty 5y ago

>You can also do this with all the negative statements made about men every day. I've never felt unfairly treated for being a man. I understand that there's a difference when speaking about in-power groups and "out-groups", especially when the latter have experienced unequal treatment at the hands of the former. So, on hearing references to "men" I don't feel personally attacked. I hear it as a metaphor for the group that has "configured the system", wield power within it, and most benefit from it. I think we can agree that men have historically held power in many societies, including the US, right? And that equal treatment of women hasn't historically been (and isn't fully now) a thing, correct? So, I think men have a special responsibility here and should be called to task when they're not meeting it. But, I mean are you really claiming there's no difference between, say, a man (as a member of the group that has traditionally held power) declaring that "Women get away with too much in society" and a woman saying "Men get away with too much in society?" >I assume you mean "ethnicity or race that's not acceptable to make fun of" No. That's not what I meant. But, what is the logic behind these kinds of comments? Are you arguing for the right to make negative statements about all racial groups and ethnicities? I mean, if instead you want to make the point that we shouldn't make negative statements about any ethnicities or racial groups, then make that point. But, your lamenting about "acceptable groups to make fun of" actually contradicts the point.