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Not sure how to put this, but I really really hope that if a year from now we are faced with a new virus strain that evades current vaccines ('likely', as Pfize

Not sure how to put this, but I really really hope that if a year from now we are faced with a new virus strain that evades current vaccines ('likely', as Pfizer CEO puts it), nobody is going to trawl HN submission stories and smugly point fingers to those that 'hawked' vaccines. Edit: https://www.insider.com/pfizer-ceo-vaccine-resistant-coronavius-variant-likely-2021-8 https://www.insider.com/pfizer-ceo-vaccine-resistant-coronav... Pfizer CEO Albert Bourla told Fox News on Tuesday that he believed it was "likely" a vaccine-resistant coronavirus variant would eventually emerge. "Every time that a variant appears in the world, our scientists are getting their hands around it," Bourla said. "And they are researching to see if this variant can escape the protection of our vaccine. "We haven't identified any yet, but we believe that it is likely that one day, one of them will emerge."

bb88 5y ago
>> Not sure how to put this, but I really really hope that if a year from now we are faced with a new virus strain that evades current vaccines ('likely', as Pfizer CEO puts it), nobody is going to trawl HN submission stories and smugly point fingers to those that 'hawked' vaccines. WTF? You really want people to die just so you can be right?
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- angelzen 5y ago
  I dream of a world with less finger-pointing. Especially targeted at other people's hopes.
  - bb88 5y ago
    I dream of a world with less deaths.
rsynnott 5y ago
... Wait, that would be a totally different situation, surely? The vaccine generally works quite effectively for the strains that we have _now_. There's little reason to think that ivermectin does anything much.
- angelzen 5y ago
  Indeed, would be different. Nobody understands the large scale interplay of an evolving virus in presence of monoculture vaccine. What today is a godsend could prove to be a downside tomorrow. Are we supposed to never consider worse case scenarios because we have a solution right now that even its producer admits is subject to future risks? The intuition struggles. In modern era we have deployed monocultures at scale, from industrialized agriculture to industrialized forestry, at great detriment to a healthy ecosystem and perennial at risk of pests. https://www.environmentbuddy.com/environment/pros-and-cons-of-monoculture-farming-monocropping/#pest-vulnerability https://www.environmentbuddy.com/environment/pros-and-cons-o... https://www.environmentbuddy.com/environment/pros-and-cons-of-monoculture-farming-monocropping/#increased-pesticide-herbicide https://www.environmentbuddy.com/environment/pros-and-cons-o... As of Ivermectin, clinicians reached for it in hope of anti-inflamatory properties. Note how we are sniping at each other using gargantuan strawmen. Instead, perhaps researchers / clinicians could figure out ways boost the Ivermectin signal, as small as it is, and perhaps turn it into a useful tool.

bb88 5y ago

>> Not sure how to put this, but I really really hope that if a year from now we are faced with a new virus strain that evades current vaccines ('likely', as Pfizer CEO puts it), nobody is going to trawl HN submission stories and smugly point fingers to those that 'hawked' vaccines. WTF? You really want people to die just so you can be right?

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angelzen 5y ago
I dream of a world with less finger-pointing. Especially targeted at other people's hopes.
- bb88 5y ago
  I dream of a world with less deaths.

rsynnott 5y ago

... Wait, that would be a totally different situation, surely? The vaccine generally works quite effectively for the strains that we have _now_. There's little reason to think that ivermectin does anything much.

angelzen 5y ago
Indeed, would be different. Nobody understands the large scale interplay of an evolving virus in presence of monoculture vaccine. What today is a godsend could prove to be a downside tomorrow. Are we supposed to never consider worse case scenarios because we have a solution right now that even its producer admits is subject to future risks? The intuition struggles. In modern era we have deployed monocultures at scale, from industrialized agriculture to industrialized forestry, at great detriment to a healthy ecosystem and perennial at risk of pests. https://www.environmentbuddy.com/environment/pros-and-cons-of-monoculture-farming-monocropping/#pest-vulnerability https://www.environmentbuddy.com/environment/pros-and-cons-o... https://www.environmentbuddy.com/environment/pros-and-cons-of-monoculture-farming-monocropping/#increased-pesticide-herbicide https://www.environmentbuddy.com/environment/pros-and-cons-o... As of Ivermectin, clinicians reached for it in hope of anti-inflamatory properties. Note how we are sniping at each other using gargantuan strawmen. Instead, perhaps researchers / clinicians could figure out ways boost the Ivermectin signal, as small as it is, and perhaps turn it into a useful tool.