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It's always wildly entertaining and equally demoralizing to see people trapped in this very deceptive, primitive and privately owned technological nighmarish me

by 8jef 5y ago

It's always wildly entertaining and equally demoralizing to see people trapped in this very deceptive, primitive and privately owned technological nighmarish mess created for the sole purpose of sucking the life out of them. Why aren't they opting out? Why are they being voluntarily captive of that madhouse's nuthouse / kinda oxygen deprived fishbowl? Why aren't they seing that bright orange flashing target painted on their very soul? In the line of what is offered to drug and alcohol addicts, I predict a coming widespread adoption of tailor made 12-step programs for the media addicted. "It's now been 48 months since I've acted on a notification. One day at a time."

Aerroon 5y ago
You can't opt out. The problem is with how copyright works. Copyright holders will just force the rules on you again at your new platform (or get the platform taken down).
rektide 5y ago
to opt out is to say "i will stop communicating with the world". you either join the massive networks, or you are stranded, alone, undiscoverable, forever. some folks call these "high switching costs", which is fair. but i dont think it really emphasizes the existential peril of leaving the central hubs of connected online spaces. it doesnt go far enough to emphasize that you either do keep your prrssence on the major networks, or you are a no one. we all have to be able & willing to switch off. into a new system, where thise we opt to follow will not be switch offable by their network, by their hosting provider. we neee to interconnect broadly, across systems, and allow each other to re-present in new hosts, new domains, new means, as the circumstances of how they stay connected/online change.
- MathMonkeyMan 5y ago
  Do we need to be discovered on the internet? This computer that I'm typing into in order to respond to your comment is not the world. The world is outside. I discovered a variety of people yesterday when I went for a walk in a crowded park. That is the world.
  - rektide 5y ago
    take your "go live in a barrel" "stop participating in society" "advice" to somewhere offline & unconnected please. it's rude & out of touch. the internet has value and telling people to walk away, to not connect, not be found online, is insulting & belittling. this person was doing great & neat things. they deserve to be able to connect with the world. the world is better for it's chance to connect with them. "just dont" is a snotty terrible demeaning attitude to take. please take your own advice and take this anti-connective attitude elsewhere, off the internet. i really really wish every discussion on social networking & online hosting wasn't punctuated by this retrogressive anti-connected (what seems to me like) trolling. how you folks be so blind, so callous, so unwilling to see how great & awesome it is that people can share, that people can connect & communicate, that we can exchange so many awesome human moments? it's is unfathomable to me. it's so neat that folks can share, can make connections, that the power of the mind can expand so much further, and can roam so much more greatly. turning that off sounds like hell.
    - MathMonkeyMan 5y ago
      You're right that my comment smacks of "go outside, kids" and sounds belittling. It's easy for me to make the claim that I did, because I have no stake on the internet. Neither my income nor my passion is dependent upon an online audience. Here I am in my armchair, "it's not a problem, you're the problem!" That's insensitive and I apologize. Still, do consider the possibility that the passion behind your response is grounded in an overinvestment in online interactions. I don't know you, and may be overstepping bounds, but this is the softer version of my point.
      - rektide 5y ago
        > Still, do consider the possibility that the passion behind your response is grounded in an overinvestment in online interactions. Oh yeah, the ability for humans to share things with each other freely & to explore each other's thoughts is deeply overrated. You're right, you're totally on-topic here. Discussions about hosting, providers, censorship: yeah, unimportant. We can forget all the questions we face there, those were just distractions. You're totally right. Thanks for pitching in. I see much more clearly now. I was just overinvested. And furthermore, every time we have a hard issue about online topics, we just need to keep telling ourselves: online doesn't matter. Chime in every time to berate the importance of the discussion, to make sure the real topic, how unimportant being connected is, is abundantly clear. (I want to have good places to talk about what you want to talk about. And in spite of my frustration you have been trying to do a good job of instilling a question that ought to be there. I don't think this internet thing is the only way to go, but I want it to be an option. And I see the real world as safe & secure in it's offerings. But I see an active battle going on, I see huge questions of control happening over how & where & whether humanity connects & is allowed to express themselves online. There's a very real challenge, and I don't think outdoor-reality needs defending. And I feel like the people trying to engage & advance something that is important are beset at every turn by endless lines of questioning, about whether they have any value. Being constantly made to defend that a humanity where connection is possible has value at all, being distracted everytime we try to talk about the difficulties & problems connectability face, is something that I think needs an effective resistance to it, needs to be shut down and told to find their own forum to have that discussion in: recognize there is value, first, be willing to join in discussion of this struggle that the topic has to it, second.)

by 8jef 5y ago

Aerroon 5y ago

You can't opt out. The problem is with how copyright works. Copyright holders will just force the rules on you again at your new platform (or get the platform taken down).

rektide 5y ago

to opt out is to say "i will stop communicating with the world". you either join the massive networks, or you are stranded, alone, undiscoverable, forever. some folks call these "high switching costs", which is fair. but i dont think it really emphasizes the existential peril of leaving the central hubs of connected online spaces. it doesnt go far enough to emphasize that you either do keep your prrssence on the major networks, or you are a no one. we all have to be able & willing to switch off. into a new system, where thise we opt to follow will not be switch offable by their network, by their hosting provider. we neee to interconnect broadly, across systems, and allow each other to re-present in new hosts, new domains, new means, as the circumstances of how they stay connected/online change.

MathMonkeyMan 5y ago
Do we need to be discovered on the internet? This computer that I'm typing into in order to respond to your comment is not the world. The world is outside. I discovered a variety of people yesterday when I went for a walk in a crowded park. That is the world.
- rektide 5y ago
  take your "go live in a barrel" "stop participating in society" "advice" to somewhere offline & unconnected please. it's rude & out of touch. the internet has value and telling people to walk away, to not connect, not be found online, is insulting & belittling. this person was doing great & neat things. they deserve to be able to connect with the world. the world is better for it's chance to connect with them. "just dont" is a snotty terrible demeaning attitude to take. please take your own advice and take this anti-connective attitude elsewhere, off the internet. i really really wish every discussion on social networking & online hosting wasn't punctuated by this retrogressive anti-connected (what seems to me like) trolling. how you folks be so blind, so callous, so unwilling to see how great & awesome it is that people can share, that people can connect & communicate, that we can exchange so many awesome human moments? it's is unfathomable to me. it's so neat that folks can share, can make connections, that the power of the mind can expand so much further, and can roam so much more greatly. turning that off sounds like hell.
  - MathMonkeyMan 5y ago
    You're right that my comment smacks of "go outside, kids" and sounds belittling. It's easy for me to make the claim that I did, because I have no stake on the internet. Neither my income nor my passion is dependent upon an online audience. Here I am in my armchair, "it's not a problem, you're the problem!" That's insensitive and I apologize. Still, do consider the possibility that the passion behind your response is grounded in an overinvestment in online interactions. I don't know you, and may be overstepping bounds, but this is the softer version of my point.
    - rektide 5y ago
      > Still, do consider the possibility that the passion behind your response is grounded in an overinvestment in online interactions. Oh yeah, the ability for humans to share things with each other freely & to explore each other's thoughts is deeply overrated. You're right, you're totally on-topic here. Discussions about hosting, providers, censorship: yeah, unimportant. We can forget all the questions we face there, those were just distractions. You're totally right. Thanks for pitching in. I see much more clearly now. I was just overinvested. And furthermore, every time we have a hard issue about online topics, we just need to keep telling ourselves: online doesn't matter. Chime in every time to berate the importance of the discussion, to make sure the real topic, how unimportant being connected is, is abundantly clear. (I want to have good places to talk about what you want to talk about. And in spite of my frustration you have been trying to do a good job of instilling a question that ought to be there. I don't think this internet thing is the only way to go, but I want it to be an option. And I see the real world as safe & secure in it's offerings. But I see an active battle going on, I see huge questions of control happening over how & where & whether humanity connects & is allowed to express themselves online. There's a very real challenge, and I don't think outdoor-reality needs defending. And I feel like the people trying to engage & advance something that is important are beset at every turn by endless lines of questioning, about whether they have any value. Being constantly made to defend that a humanity where connection is possible has value at all, being distracted everytime we try to talk about the difficulties & problems connectability face, is something that I think needs an effective resistance to it, needs to be shut down and told to find their own forum to have that discussion in: recognize there is value, first, be willing to join in discussion of this struggle that the topic has to it, second.)