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There seems to be some focus on tiling window managers, but it is not obvious to me (as a user of sway) what benefit this offers over any other terminal emulato

by lf-non 5y ago

There seems to be some focus on tiling window managers, but it is not obvious to me (as a user of sway) what benefit this offers over any other terminal emulator. Perhaps the focus on tiling wms is a justification for not having tabbing/splitting support built in. Also, given xorg-dev dependency I assume that if one is on wayland, they are better off using alacritty.

DanielVZ 5y ago
It's about having everything available either in front of you (tiled in the current workspace) or in a single keystroke (to move to the desired workspace). I like it a lot, especially in comparison to what I see my coworkers doing: move their windows around in order to uncover other windows or alt tab constantly until you either find your desired window or you pass it accidentally.
- chrismorgan 5y ago
  You’re talking about the benefits of tiling window managers compared to floating window managers. The question was instead “You say Darktile is ‘designed for tiling window managers’; what does that actually mean? How is it different from other terminal emulators?”
  - csande17 5y ago
    When I hear that a terminal is "designed for tiling window managers", I expect that it: - Doesn't do any kind of tabs, or split view, or switching between different "buffers", under the assumption that you use your window manager for that stuff - Always fills the entire window with the contents of the terminal, regardless of what size the window is (e.g. non-integer multiple of size of a character cell), and doesn't draw its own window decorations - Launches very quickly - Generally has a flat, minimalist aesthetic. Uses (ideally configurable) keyboard shortcuts instead of a toolbar, menu bar, or right-click menu, and is configurable by editing a file. Some terminals are like this already, and I don't know how well Darktile lives up to it. But it's a very different design direction from, say, GNOME Terminal.
oehpr 5y ago
If you would like a very silly reason, sometimes I want to copy logs to other devs really quickly from a server, but exporting them to a file and then rsyncing it back is just a bunch of commands and files I don't want to deal with. Because I have alacritty I'll do a cheeky hack and scale the font down to like 2pt, highlight everything and then copy it. I can copy around 500 lines of logs this way. Quick and dirty. Other than that IDK. And about the tabbing and splitting. I got tired of all the terminal emulators I like not supporting it, and some contexts not supporting paging, and not having a nice way to review a long running process, and took the dive to learn tmux. Tmux. A terrible solution to a bunch of stupid problems. Highly recommend.
- chrismorgan 5y ago
  To copy the entire scrollback buffer from Alacritty: <C-S-Space>gVGy<C-S-Space>. Ctrl+Shift+Space: enter Vi mode; g: move the cursor to the top of the scrollback buffer (like gg in Vi/Vim); V: start linewise selection; G: move the cursor to the bottom of the scrollback buffer; y: copy to clipboard and clear selection (like "+y in Vim); Ctrl+Shift+Space: exit Vi mode. Learn what’s possible in Vi mode from the key_bindings section of the alacritty.yml config, largely the ones with `mode: Vi` and similar. You’ve got the usual things like hjkl navigation, Ctrl+B and Ctrl+F to go Backwards and Forwards a page, / to search, all that sort of stuff. (Though I will note that ? to search backwards doesn’t work, because Alacritty is using winit’s currently utterly insufficient keyboard API for its bindings, see <https://github.com/alacritty/alacritty/issues/5251 https://github.com/alacritty/alacritty/issues/5251>.) Also in alacritty.yml, scrolling.history defines how many lines are kept in the buffer (defaults to 10,000).
- kristopolous 5y ago
  Anyone familiar with a less tedious way to set up copy and paste that doesn't require 3 different patterns? I'm clearly not smart enough to do it without having to think about the process every time
  - birbs 5y ago
    On Mac, you can pipe input into pbcopy to add it to your clipboard. cat file.txt | pbcopy This adds the contents of file.txt to your clipboard.

by lf-non 5y ago

DanielVZ 5y ago

It's about having everything available either in front of you (tiled in the current workspace) or in a single keystroke (to move to the desired workspace). I like it a lot, especially in comparison to what I see my coworkers doing: move their windows around in order to uncover other windows or alt tab constantly until you either find your desired window or you pass it accidentally.

chrismorgan 5y ago
You’re talking about the benefits of tiling window managers compared to floating window managers. The question was instead “You say Darktile is ‘designed for tiling window managers’; what does that actually mean? How is it different from other terminal emulators?”
- csande17 5y ago
  When I hear that a terminal is "designed for tiling window managers", I expect that it: - Doesn't do any kind of tabs, or split view, or switching between different "buffers", under the assumption that you use your window manager for that stuff - Always fills the entire window with the contents of the terminal, regardless of what size the window is (e.g. non-integer multiple of size of a character cell), and doesn't draw its own window decorations - Launches very quickly - Generally has a flat, minimalist aesthetic. Uses (ideally configurable) keyboard shortcuts instead of a toolbar, menu bar, or right-click menu, and is configurable by editing a file. Some terminals are like this already, and I don't know how well Darktile lives up to it. But it's a very different design direction from, say, GNOME Terminal.

oehpr 5y ago

If you would like a very silly reason, sometimes I want to copy logs to other devs really quickly from a server, but exporting them to a file and then rsyncing it back is just a bunch of commands and files I don't want to deal with. Because I have alacritty I'll do a cheeky hack and scale the font down to like 2pt, highlight everything and then copy it. I can copy around 500 lines of logs this way. Quick and dirty. Other than that IDK. And about the tabbing and splitting. I got tired of all the terminal emulators I like not supporting it, and some contexts not supporting paging, and not having a nice way to review a long running process, and took the dive to learn tmux. Tmux. A terrible solution to a bunch of stupid problems. Highly recommend.

chrismorgan 5y ago
To copy the entire scrollback buffer from Alacritty: <C-S-Space>gVGy<C-S-Space>. Ctrl+Shift+Space: enter Vi mode; g: move the cursor to the top of the scrollback buffer (like gg in Vi/Vim); V: start linewise selection; G: move the cursor to the bottom of the scrollback buffer; y: copy to clipboard and clear selection (like "+y in Vim); Ctrl+Shift+Space: exit Vi mode. Learn what’s possible in Vi mode from the key_bindings section of the alacritty.yml config, largely the ones with `mode: Vi` and similar. You’ve got the usual things like hjkl navigation, Ctrl+B and Ctrl+F to go Backwards and Forwards a page, / to search, all that sort of stuff. (Though I will note that ? to search backwards doesn’t work, because Alacritty is using winit’s currently utterly insufficient keyboard API for its bindings, see <https://github.com/alacritty/alacritty/issues/5251 https://github.com/alacritty/alacritty/issues/5251>.) Also in alacritty.yml, scrolling.history defines how many lines are kept in the buffer (defaults to 10,000).
kristopolous 5y ago
Anyone familiar with a less tedious way to set up copy and paste that doesn't require 3 different patterns? I'm clearly not smart enough to do it without having to think about the process every time
- birbs 5y ago
  On Mac, you can pipe input into pbcopy to add it to your clipboard. cat file.txt | pbcopy This adds the contents of file.txt to your clipboard.