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I used to think this until I really took the time to dig into Rust. Rust has completely snapped me out of this depressing, "pragmatist" learned helplessness tha
by vp8989 5y ago
I used to think this until I really took the time to dig into Rust. Rust has completely snapped me out of this depressing, "pragmatist" learned helplessness that people seem so keen to try to cram down everyone's throats these days.
- ravenstine 5y agoCould you elaborate a bit? I'm curious precisely what you mean, though I can make some guesses.
- vp8989 5y agoElaborate on what? Rust or the pragmatism stuff?
- ravenstine 5y agoThe "pragmatism" mainly, although I'd also be interested in how Rust specifically doesn't cause learned helplessness.
- vp8989 5y agoIt's become very trendy these days to be hyper-pragmatic and dismiss attempts to push forward new big ideas or programming languages as frivolous. "Shut up and give me another 500 lines of PHP, we have (made up) deadlines to meet!"
- ravenstine 5y agoOh oh, yes! 100%
- ashtonkem 5y agoI thought that too until I tried to recreate a web API I run at work in rust. Turns out that the language is far less important than having really great libraries. I’ll re-evaluate rust when things like resilience4j and micrometer exist for it.
- vp8989 5y ago"Turns out that the language is far less important than having really great libraries. I’ll re-evaluate rust when things like resilience4j and micrometer exist for it." I agree. Ecosystem shapes how good a given language is right now but the language itself is what provides the long-term ceiling. One very real example is JavaScript. You can write all the JavaScript libraries you want and people certainly have ... but ultimately the language is what it is and many of its users still clamor for something better even after immense investment in the ecosystem.