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Enough to be the majority of the calls to poison control.

Aachen 5y ago
Why does nobody ever reply with numbers while making claims that it's so obvious. Maybe I'm not American enough here in Europe but to me this isn't self-evident and unless my family suddenly turns anti vax (bit late for that now) it won't be so I'm going to need numbers to understand how big this is. How even would I know how many poison control calls there are in the first place? I know roughly you have like 30% (give or take 10%.) unvaccinated and some 320 million people there, so you'd need some 5 million calls to poison control before you're at a majority if only 10% actually gets poisoned from what they take and call poison control. Typing this out, there's like a dozen unknowns here (like how many people overdose, how many call this specific agency, etc.) so it seems like an extremely poor proxy anyway, but if you're still game, please enlighten me with the real number of calls to poison control. 5M is the number to beat. Edit: as one data point, the only person I know that doesn't want the vaccine is worried about fertility. They had covid 5 months ago and are currently having long covid, so they're not entirely unprotected even if imo it's still solidly anti-vax to refuse a recommended booster dose. So they're not trusting the official stuff, and most definitely they'll not be taking random garbage that's supposed to kill animals. That's insanity, so I can't believe the majority of those left unvaxxinated in your country is that sort out crazy. It makes no sense, the furthest thing from self-evident.
- ashtonkem 5y ago
  https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.news4jax.com/health/2021/08/26/poison-control-in-2-states-fielding-influx-of-calls-about-ivermectin-related-to-covid-19-treatment/%3foutputType=amp https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.news4jax.com/health/2021/08... Honestly, I think the issue here is that you’re not American, so you don’t understand the current situation here. Vaccines have been free and readily available for a long time, and those who are holding out have an unusually high percentage of cray in them. Last I checked, polling indicated that about half of the people unvaccinated indicated that would never accept the vaccine, as compared to being in more of a “wait and see” mode. Meanwhile some states are starting to hit their highest death rates ever, and Covid is killing anti-vax politicians and celebrities at a constant rate. If rational arguments persuaded these people, they would have already been vaccinated.
  - Aachen 5y ago
    Nice number, nice amp link. But ok I'll waste some more of my time checking your source for you. (edit: the comment was only a link at first.) > So far, they’ve treated 27 patients in the month of August. > The Alabama Poison Information Center at Children’s of Alabama has fielded 24 ivermectin exposure cases so far this year, of which 15 were related to COVID-19 prevention and treatment. It says there have been five other calls seeking information about ivermectin. Lol, yeah clearly a majority of the millions unvaccinated.
    - ashtonkem 5y ago
      Keep reading. > At least 70% of recent calls to the Mississippi Poison Control Center have been related to ingestion of livestock or animal formulations of ivermectin purchased at livestock supply centers, Mississippi Department of Health officials said. Again, these are people literally taking horse dewormer. We can debate the precise number, but you cannot reason with someone who decides that they trust tractor supply more than they trust their doctor and any relevant medical authority.
      - Aachen 5y ago
        70% of how many? Keep reading, it said iirc somewhere "for comparison, last year there were 6 calls".

Why does nobody ever reply with numbers while making claims that it's so obvious. Maybe I'm not American enough here in Europe but to me this isn't self-evident and unless my family suddenly turns anti vax (bit late for that now) it won't be so I'm going to need numbers to understand how big this is. How even would I know how many poison control calls there are in the first place? I know roughly you have like 30% (give or take 10%.) unvaccinated and some 320 million people there, so you'd need some 5 million calls to poison control before you're at a majority if only 10% actually gets poisoned from what they take and call poison control. Typing this out, there's like a dozen unknowns here (like how many people overdose, how many call this specific agency, etc.) so it seems like an extremely poor proxy anyway, but if you're still game, please enlighten me with the real number of calls to poison control. 5M is the number to beat. Edit: as one data point, the only person I know that doesn't want the vaccine is worried about fertility. They had covid 5 months ago and are currently having long covid, so they're not entirely unprotected even if imo it's still solidly anti-vax to refuse a recommended booster dose. So they're not trusting the official stuff, and most definitely they'll not be taking random garbage that's supposed to kill animals. That's insanity, so I can't believe the majority of those left unvaxxinated in your country is that sort out crazy. It makes no sense, the furthest thing from self-evident.

ashtonkem 5y ago
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.news4jax.com/health/2021/08/26/poison-control-in-2-states-fielding-influx-of-calls-about-ivermectin-related-to-covid-19-treatment/%3foutputType=amp https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.news4jax.com/health/2021/08... Honestly, I think the issue here is that you’re not American, so you don’t understand the current situation here. Vaccines have been free and readily available for a long time, and those who are holding out have an unusually high percentage of cray in them. Last I checked, polling indicated that about half of the people unvaccinated indicated that would never accept the vaccine, as compared to being in more of a “wait and see” mode. Meanwhile some states are starting to hit their highest death rates ever, and Covid is killing anti-vax politicians and celebrities at a constant rate. If rational arguments persuaded these people, they would have already been vaccinated.
- Aachen 5y ago
  Nice number, nice amp link. But ok I'll waste some more of my time checking your source for you. (edit: the comment was only a link at first.) > So far, they’ve treated 27 patients in the month of August. > The Alabama Poison Information Center at Children’s of Alabama has fielded 24 ivermectin exposure cases so far this year, of which 15 were related to COVID-19 prevention and treatment. It says there have been five other calls seeking information about ivermectin. Lol, yeah clearly a majority of the millions unvaccinated.
  - ashtonkem 5y ago
    Keep reading. > At least 70% of recent calls to the Mississippi Poison Control Center have been related to ingestion of livestock or animal formulations of ivermectin purchased at livestock supply centers, Mississippi Department of Health officials said. Again, these are people literally taking horse dewormer. We can debate the precise number, but you cannot reason with someone who decides that they trust tractor supply more than they trust their doctor and any relevant medical authority.
    - Aachen 5y ago
      70% of how many? Keep reading, it said iirc somewhere "for comparison, last year there were 6 calls".