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They have absolutely no way to detect what those people are doing with that property when it comes to satellites though - they can't detect that you're doing it

They have absolutely no way to detect what those people are doing with that property when it comes to satellites though - they can't detect that you're doing it, and they don't have much practical way to block it either.

kube-system 5y ago
All competent governments on earth already regulate wireless communications, including satellite communications. Most have found it fairly effective to regulate trade and manufacture of such devices. At a minimum, it is effective enough that it is a response that would be expected to be elicited if a government found a device undesirable.
- chrisseaton 5y ago
  I don't know what your experience is in this area, but how do you believe they regulate access to a satellite from another nation flying overhead if your people have the device to access it? You can just about jam GPS signals locally (within a few km if you pour the resources into it.) Nations are not able in practice to generally jam satellite signals. We know that nations are not able to do this in practice... because it's how people from those locations are calling out to us.
  - kube-system 5y ago
    > how do you believe they regulate access to a satellite from another nation flying overhead if your people have the device to access it? You don’t. You prevent people from getting access to the device in the first place. There are no countries where people already have iPhone 13s. A country that doesn’t want them, could certainly ban their import. There ain’t too many people watching HBO on their satellite TVs in North Korea.
    - chrisseaton 5y ago
      > You don’t. Exactly. > There are no countries where people already have iPhone 13s. They have Iridium, Garmin, etc. Any number of satellite devices. > A country that doesn’t want them, could certainly ban their import. I think you're super-naive if you think import bans on these devices work in practice, sorry. They're easily concealable.
      - kube-system 5y ago
        The question originally posed above, that you responded to, was about a government response to the iPhone 13 specifically.
detaro 5y ago
The point is that they restrict you obtaining said property. Of course not 100%, but how popular would an iPhone that you need to smuggle into the country and that gets you arrested (or at least the device destroyed and you fined) if found by police be?

kube-system 5y ago

All competent governments on earth already regulate wireless communications, including satellite communications. Most have found it fairly effective to regulate trade and manufacture of such devices. At a minimum, it is effective enough that it is a response that would be expected to be elicited if a government found a device undesirable.

chrisseaton 5y ago
I don't know what your experience is in this area, but how do you believe they regulate access to a satellite from another nation flying overhead if your people have the device to access it? You can just about jam GPS signals locally (within a few km if you pour the resources into it.) Nations are not able in practice to generally jam satellite signals. We know that nations are not able to do this in practice... because it's how people from those locations are calling out to us.
- kube-system 5y ago
  > how do you believe they regulate access to a satellite from another nation flying overhead if your people have the device to access it? You don’t. You prevent people from getting access to the device in the first place. There are no countries where people already have iPhone 13s. A country that doesn’t want them, could certainly ban their import. There ain’t too many people watching HBO on their satellite TVs in North Korea.
  - chrisseaton 5y ago
    > You don’t. Exactly. > There are no countries where people already have iPhone 13s. They have Iridium, Garmin, etc. Any number of satellite devices. > A country that doesn’t want them, could certainly ban their import. I think you're super-naive if you think import bans on these devices work in practice, sorry. They're easily concealable.
    - kube-system 5y ago
      The question originally posed above, that you responded to, was about a government response to the iPhone 13 specifically.

detaro 5y ago

The point is that they restrict you obtaining said property. Of course not 100%, but how popular would an iPhone that you need to smuggle into the country and that gets you arrested (or at least the device destroyed and you fined) if found by police be?