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Apparently not, from all the other articles I read. Putting them on halt... Goddamn, never underestimate the power of the media. If all these fuckers report i

by bserge 5y ago

Apparently not, from all the other articles I read. Putting them on halt... Goddamn, never underestimate the power of the media. If all these fuckers report it as "self driving car hits blind man", you're fucked, not them for misrepresenting the facts.

cge 5y ago
Except it appears that Toyota itself is pushing the anti-self-driving line here as well. I'm certainly skeptical of some claims about self-driving, can understand that there are differences in being apologetic, and can understand the choice to suspend operations, but it's an odd jump to have your CEO say that this incident "shows that autonomous vehicles are not yet realistic for normal roads."
- bserge 5y ago
  I'd chalk it up to the Japanese way of doing things, but I'm not sure.
- shawnz 5y ago
  Perhaps he is trying to get ahead of any arguments like, "the drivers weren't paying attention due to over-reliance on the software"
- toiletaccount 5y ago
  They aren't exactly leading the pack in self driving tech, why not try slowing down the whole race after a good stumble?
- aitchnyu 5y ago
  Hmm, now I'm learning Toyota is sabotaging both full electric and autonomous driving.
ramesh31 5y ago
>Putting them on halt... Goddamn, never underestimate the power of the media. I'd chalk this up more to Toyota. They are an extremely risk averse company. "“It shows that autonomous vehicles are not yet realistic for normal roads,” (Akio Toyoda) said." What other CEO do you know that would straight up admit their technology was at fault and is not ready for widespread use?
- bserge 5y ago
  When it comes to Japan, quite a few. They're surprisingly eager to take all the blame in hopes of pacifying the media and people.
  - diskzero 5y ago
    As an outsider, I have always respected the Japanese tradition of leaders accepting blame and making apologies. It seems that this would short-circuit the outrage driven media cycles that thrive in America. Is this the case in Japan? Do these apologies have a postive affect?
    - bobthepanda 5y ago
      Corporate malfeasance manifests itself behind closed doors. https://www.theregister.com/2021/06/21/toshiba_effissimo_meti_scandal/ https://www.theregister.com/2021/06/21/toshiba_effissimo_met... > Toshiba’s first big mess was the 2015 accountancy scandal in which it admitted to over-stating revenue by $1.2 billion. Next came a mess at Toshiba’s US-based nuclear power plant business, which went so far over budget on some projects that the company had to sell its NAND flash chip joint venture with Western Digital to raise desperately needed cash. Those two messes saw Toshiba pledge to improve its corporate governance. Ahead of the company’s 2020 annual general meeting, activist investors sought to accelerate that change by proposing the election of new officers untainted by the company’s troubles. That effort failed, and one of the activist investors — Singaporean fund management company Effissimo capital management — smelled a rat. It sought to investigate what it thought were irregularities in the way the meeting was conducted. > Toshiba’s report from that investigation was released ten days ago, and its findings [PDF] include an explosive account of Toshiba and Japan’s Ministry of Economy, Trade and Industry conspiring to “beat up” Effissimo by threatening to act under Japan’s foreign investment laws, before suggesting new governance-related appointments that suited Toshiba more than Effissimo. The investigation also alleges that Japanese Prime Minister Yoshihide Suga was aware of the plan to use the Ministry to stymie Effissimo. https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2020/02/15/business/corporate-business/toshibas-latest-scandal-subsidiary-found-booked-%C2%A543-5-billion-fictitious-sales/ https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2020/02/15/business/corpor... > Toshiba Corp. said Friday that a subsidiary booked fictitious sales of ¥43.5 billion in 26 transactions recorded only on paper... Nine companies including Toshiba IT-Services were found to have been involved in “round-tripping transactions” that did not involve any commercial goods or end users, according to information mainly from a report about an in-house survey involving lawyers and certified accountants.

by bserge 5y ago

cge 5y ago

Except it appears that Toyota itself is pushing the anti-self-driving line here as well. I'm certainly skeptical of some claims about self-driving, can understand that there are differences in being apologetic, and can understand the choice to suspend operations, but it's an odd jump to have your CEO say that this incident "shows that autonomous vehicles are not yet realistic for normal roads."

bserge 5y ago
I'd chalk it up to the Japanese way of doing things, but I'm not sure.
shawnz 5y ago
Perhaps he is trying to get ahead of any arguments like, "the drivers weren't paying attention due to over-reliance on the software"
toiletaccount 5y ago
They aren't exactly leading the pack in self driving tech, why not try slowing down the whole race after a good stumble?
aitchnyu 5y ago
Hmm, now I'm learning Toyota is sabotaging both full electric and autonomous driving.

ramesh31 5y ago

>Putting them on halt... Goddamn, never underestimate the power of the media. I'd chalk this up more to Toyota. They are an extremely risk averse company. "“It shows that autonomous vehicles are not yet realistic for normal roads,” (Akio Toyoda) said." What other CEO do you know that would straight up admit their technology was at fault and is not ready for widespread use?

bserge 5y ago
When it comes to Japan, quite a few. They're surprisingly eager to take all the blame in hopes of pacifying the media and people.
- diskzero 5y ago
  As an outsider, I have always respected the Japanese tradition of leaders accepting blame and making apologies. It seems that this would short-circuit the outrage driven media cycles that thrive in America. Is this the case in Japan? Do these apologies have a postive affect?
  - bobthepanda 5y ago
    Corporate malfeasance manifests itself behind closed doors. https://www.theregister.com/2021/06/21/toshiba_effissimo_meti_scandal/ https://www.theregister.com/2021/06/21/toshiba_effissimo_met... > Toshiba’s first big mess was the 2015 accountancy scandal in which it admitted to over-stating revenue by $1.2 billion. Next came a mess at Toshiba’s US-based nuclear power plant business, which went so far over budget on some projects that the company had to sell its NAND flash chip joint venture with Western Digital to raise desperately needed cash. Those two messes saw Toshiba pledge to improve its corporate governance. Ahead of the company’s 2020 annual general meeting, activist investors sought to accelerate that change by proposing the election of new officers untainted by the company’s troubles. That effort failed, and one of the activist investors — Singaporean fund management company Effissimo capital management — smelled a rat. It sought to investigate what it thought were irregularities in the way the meeting was conducted. > Toshiba’s report from that investigation was released ten days ago, and its findings [PDF] include an explosive account of Toshiba and Japan’s Ministry of Economy, Trade and Industry conspiring to “beat up” Effissimo by threatening to act under Japan’s foreign investment laws, before suggesting new governance-related appointments that suited Toshiba more than Effissimo. The investigation also alleges that Japanese Prime Minister Yoshihide Suga was aware of the plan to use the Ministry to stymie Effissimo. https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2020/02/15/business/corporate-business/toshibas-latest-scandal-subsidiary-found-booked-%C2%A543-5-billion-fictitious-sales/ https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2020/02/15/business/corpor... > Toshiba Corp. said Friday that a subsidiary booked fictitious sales of ¥43.5 billion in 26 transactions recorded only on paper... Nine companies including Toshiba IT-Services were found to have been involved in “round-tripping transactions” that did not involve any commercial goods or end users, according to information mainly from a report about an in-house survey involving lawyers and certified accountants.