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It is possible to condemn Apple without implicitly praising Google.

by floren 5y ago

GeekyBear 5y ago
On privacy, it's impossible to pretend that Apple is anywhere near as intentionally terrible as Google is. Google literally buys copies of everyone's credit/debit card transaction data so they can spy on what you do in the real world as much as they spy on what you do online. >Of course, Google has been able to track your location using Google Maps for a long time. Since 2014, it has used that information to provide advertisers with information on how often people visit their stores. But store visits aren’t purchases, so, as Google said in a blog post on its new service for marketers, it has partnered with “third parties” that give them access to 70 percent of all credit and debit card purchases. https://www.technologyreview.com/2017/05/25/242717/google-now-tracks-your-credit-card-purchases-and-connects-them-to-its-online-profile-of-you/ https://www.technologyreview.com/2017/05/25/242717/google-no... Google literally pioneered the privacy shredding surveillance capitalism business model. >As the pioneer of surveillance capitalism, Google launched an unprecedented market operation into the unmapped spaces of the internet, where it faced few impediments from law or competitors, like an invasive species in a landscape free of natural predators. Surveillance capitalists quickly realized that they could do anything they wanted, and they did. https://longreads.com/2019/09/05/how-google-discovered-the-value-of-surveillance/ https://longreads.com/2019/09/05/how-google-discovered-the-v...
- echelon 5y ago
  Both companies do shitty things. Your adoration of a fruit themed capital construct is empowering a company that is just as malignant. I like Nintendo games, but I'm not blind enough to overlook the horrible things they do to fans. I get that it can be an almost religious or celebrity experience for some, but don't be a single-party / single-issue voter with your adoration of fruit. It's not healthy for our freedom.
  - GeekyBear 5y ago
    > Both companies do shitty things. Only one of the two companies intentionally buys copies of everyone's credit/debit card data, intentionally hides privacy settings from users, and intentionally ignores those settings when users do manage to find them. >Newly unredacted documents in a lawsuit against Google reveal that the company's own executives and engineers knew just how difficult the company had made it for smartphone users to keep their location data private. Google employees appeared to recognize that users were frustrated by the company's aggressive data collection practices, potentially hurting its business. "Fail #2: I should be able to get my location on my phone without sharing that information with Google," one employee said. "This may be how Apple is eating our lunch," they added, saying Apple was "much more likely" to let users take advantage of location-based apps and services on their phones without sharing the data with Apple. https://news.yahoo.com/apple-eating-lunch-google-employees-021605239.html https://news.yahoo.com/apple-eating-lunch-google-employees-0...
- wutbrodo 5y ago
  > On privacy, it's impossible to pretend that Apple is anywhere near as intentionally terrible as Google is. The parent comment of the thread said "Apple doesn't care about consumer privacy", in response to the article's claim about Apple's values. It didn't say that it cared _less_ than Google. You're literally the only one in this thread talking about the relative amount that they care, to the point that you're just arguing with yourself.

It is possible to condemn Apple without implicitly praising Google.

by floren 5y ago

It is possible to condemn Apple without implicitly praising Google.

On privacy, it's impossible to pretend that Apple is anywhere near as intentionally terrible as Google is. Google literally buys copies of everyone's credit/debit card transaction data so they can spy on what you do in the real world as much as they spy on what you do online. >Of course, Google has been able to track your location using Google Maps for a long time. Since 2014, it has used that information to provide advertisers with information on how often people visit their stores. But store visits aren’t purchases, so, as Google said in a blog post on its new service for marketers, it has partnered with “third parties” that give them access to 70 percent of all credit and debit card purchases. https://www.technologyreview.com/2017/05/25/242717/google-now-tracks-your-credit-card-purchases-and-connects-them-to-its-online-profile-of-you/ https://www.technologyreview.com/2017/05/25/242717/google-no... Google literally pioneered the privacy shredding surveillance capitalism business model. >As the pioneer of surveillance capitalism, Google launched an unprecedented market operation into the unmapped spaces of the internet, where it faced few impediments from law or competitors, like an invasive species in a landscape free of natural predators. Surveillance capitalists quickly realized that they could do anything they wanted, and they did. https://longreads.com/2019/09/05/how-google-discovered-the-value-of-surveillance/ https://longreads.com/2019/09/05/how-google-discovered-the-v...

echelon 5y ago
Both companies do shitty things. Your adoration of a fruit themed capital construct is empowering a company that is just as malignant. I like Nintendo games, but I'm not blind enough to overlook the horrible things they do to fans. I get that it can be an almost religious or celebrity experience for some, but don't be a single-party / single-issue voter with your adoration of fruit. It's not healthy for our freedom.
- GeekyBear 5y ago
  > Both companies do shitty things. Only one of the two companies intentionally buys copies of everyone's credit/debit card data, intentionally hides privacy settings from users, and intentionally ignores those settings when users do manage to find them. >Newly unredacted documents in a lawsuit against Google reveal that the company's own executives and engineers knew just how difficult the company had made it for smartphone users to keep their location data private. Google employees appeared to recognize that users were frustrated by the company's aggressive data collection practices, potentially hurting its business. "Fail #2: I should be able to get my location on my phone without sharing that information with Google," one employee said. "This may be how Apple is eating our lunch," they added, saying Apple was "much more likely" to let users take advantage of location-based apps and services on their phones without sharing the data with Apple. https://news.yahoo.com/apple-eating-lunch-google-employees-021605239.html https://news.yahoo.com/apple-eating-lunch-google-employees-0...
wutbrodo 5y ago
> On privacy, it's impossible to pretend that Apple is anywhere near as intentionally terrible as Google is. The parent comment of the thread said "Apple doesn't care about consumer privacy", in response to the article's claim about Apple's values. It didn't say that it cared _less_ than Google. You're literally the only one in this thread talking about the relative amount that they care, to the point that you're just arguing with yourself.