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auditable paper ballots are only good if there is an actually full audit, that almost never happens, and today if you advocate for one you are a "far alt-right
by syshum 5y ago
auditable paper ballots are only good if there is an actually full audit, that almost never happens, and today if you advocate for one you are a "far alt-right wing conspiracy theorist"
That is far far far different that what is being talked about fro AU and Canada, where there is no electronic middle man that is trusted first...
- smt88 5y agoThere were full audits in the contested parts of the US this year. Where did they refuse to do one?
- syshum 5y agoSource... the only full audit is the one still in progress in AZ. Some (very very few) did "Risk Limiting" Audits, that audit a random sampling (some times as low as 2%) of ballots. I am unaware of any full, hand recount not using any electronic machines audits that took place anywhere in the US outside of AZ.
- smt88 5y agoGeorgia did two full recounts that didn't use machines[1]. It was observed by Republicans, Democrats, and independents, and it was organized by Republican state officials. The audit in progress in AZ is a partisan sham that has been challenged as unnecessary and politically motivated by local Republican researchers[2] and officials. 1. https://sos.ga.gov/index.php/elections/historic_first_statewide_audit_of_paper_ballots_upholds_result_of_presidential_race https://sos.ga.gov/index.php/elections/historic_first_statew... 2. https://tucson.com/news/local/political-notebook-tucson-republican-challenges-recount-in-maricopa-county-to-a-count-off/article_627efb2c-c968-11eb-92d8-43d5b34405be.html https://tucson.com/news/local/political-notebook-tucson-repu...
- syshum 5y agoFrom my Reading of the GA reports it was a Hand count of the Presidential Vote only, not of all Races. I would hardly call that a Full Audit... but I will stand corrected in that one other state besides AZ is did a hand recount. 1 of 50 states, 14 of 435 Congressional Districts, and a small fraction of total races....
- smt88 5y agoWhy does it matter? It's not like they trust the machine. There are rolls and logs that multiple people must agree on. No narrative of fraud at the counting stage makes any sense unless you haven't read how the count is secured without sacrificing too much speed.