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Yes, and that "squares with its values". Thinking that Apple (FAANG) have "values" other than that are falling for the marketers illusion.

politelemon 5y ago
I think you've got a succinct explanation for what's been happening over the past few weeks. This illusion has been sustaining a brand loyalty for several years while getting away with privacy contradicting moves, and always being defended by its loyalists. I say loyalists instead of customers to make a distinction. What's happening now is the moves are becoming increasingly egregious, and what we're seeing is a slight awakening to the reality of the situation, that the 'stance' had been nothing more than a grab for user control (in turn to sustain profits) At this point it's either abandon ship, or make petitions and opinion pieces such as TFA.
ramesh31 5y ago
>Thinking that Apple (FAANG) have "values" other than that are falling for the marketers illusion. Apple was different, and it all stemmed from Jobs. The tech world lost a lot more than just innovative products when he passed. Cook has done an incredible job at getting Apple to where they are as a company, but they've truly lost their way in the meantime.
- wutbrodo 5y ago
  Funny, I have roughly the exact opposite view of Jobs. To me, he was a groundbreaking figure in creating massive amounts of consumer surplus while having extremely anti-user values.
  - oliv__ 5y ago
    If he had "extremely anti-user values" don't ya think there might be less..ahem... users of Apple products? Have you considered the possibility that your opinion is that of a minority.
    - wutbrodo 5y ago
      It's quite an extraordinary market-dogmatist view of the world to claim that putting the user's interests first is the sole and exclusive input to the success of a business. In fact, I'd daresay the opinion you've expressed is "that of a minority". (All of this is leaving aside the fact that you apparently didn't read my very brief comment before responding to it, in which I talk about massive amounts of consumer surplus being created)
mgh2 5y ago
It has always been about money, don't fall for their marketing https://m-g-h.medium.com/why-we-are-dispensable-7a577eba4f3e https://m-g-h.medium.com/why-we-are-dispensable-7a577eba4f3e

politelemon 5y ago

I think you've got a succinct explanation for what's been happening over the past few weeks. This illusion has been sustaining a brand loyalty for several years while getting away with privacy contradicting moves, and always being defended by its loyalists. I say loyalists instead of customers to make a distinction. What's happening now is the moves are becoming increasingly egregious, and what we're seeing is a slight awakening to the reality of the situation, that the 'stance' had been nothing more than a grab for user control (in turn to sustain profits) At this point it's either abandon ship, or make petitions and opinion pieces such as TFA.

ramesh31 5y ago

>Thinking that Apple (FAANG) have "values" other than that are falling for the marketers illusion. Apple was different, and it all stemmed from Jobs. The tech world lost a lot more than just innovative products when he passed. Cook has done an incredible job at getting Apple to where they are as a company, but they've truly lost their way in the meantime.

wutbrodo 5y ago
Funny, I have roughly the exact opposite view of Jobs. To me, he was a groundbreaking figure in creating massive amounts of consumer surplus while having extremely anti-user values.
- oliv__ 5y ago
  If he had "extremely anti-user values" don't ya think there might be less..ahem... users of Apple products? Have you considered the possibility that your opinion is that of a minority.
  - wutbrodo 5y ago
    It's quite an extraordinary market-dogmatist view of the world to claim that putting the user's interests first is the sole and exclusive input to the success of a business. In fact, I'd daresay the opinion you've expressed is "that of a minority". (All of this is leaving aside the fact that you apparently didn't read my very brief comment before responding to it, in which I talk about massive amounts of consumer surplus being created)

mgh2 5y ago

It has always been about money, don't fall for their marketing https://m-g-h.medium.com/why-we-are-dispensable-7a577eba4f3e https://m-g-h.medium.com/why-we-are-dispensable-7a577eba4f3e