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>I think we can all agree that $15 billion is a lot of money. Apple is absolutely in the business of making money, and it's very, very good at it. I'm just not

>I think we can all agree that $15 billion is a lot of money. Apple is absolutely in the business of making money, and it's very, very good at it. I'm just not sure anyone thought the company was willing to put a price tag on privacy All these companies care about is money.

eplanit 5y ago
Yes, and that "squares with its values". Thinking that Apple (FAANG) have "values" other than that are falling for the marketers illusion.
- politelemon 5y ago
  I think you've got a succinct explanation for what's been happening over the past few weeks. This illusion has been sustaining a brand loyalty for several years while getting away with privacy contradicting moves, and always being defended by its loyalists. I say loyalists instead of customers to make a distinction. What's happening now is the moves are becoming increasingly egregious, and what we're seeing is a slight awakening to the reality of the situation, that the 'stance' had been nothing more than a grab for user control (in turn to sustain profits) At this point it's either abandon ship, or make petitions and opinion pieces such as TFA.
- ramesh31 5y ago
  >Thinking that Apple (FAANG) have "values" other than that are falling for the marketers illusion. Apple was different, and it all stemmed from Jobs. The tech world lost a lot more than just innovative products when he passed. Cook has done an incredible job at getting Apple to where they are as a company, but they've truly lost their way in the meantime.
  - wutbrodo 5y ago
    Funny, I have roughly the exact opposite view of Jobs. To me, he was a groundbreaking figure in creating massive amounts of consumer surplus while having extremely anti-user values.
    - oliv__ 5y ago
      If he had "extremely anti-user values" don't ya think there might be less..ahem... users of Apple products? Have you considered the possibility that your opinion is that of a minority.
      - wutbrodo 5y ago
        It's quite an extraordinary market-dogmatist view of the world to claim that putting the user's interests first is the sole and exclusive input to the success of a business. In fact, I'd daresay the opinion you've expressed is "that of a minority". (All of this is leaving aside the fact that you apparently didn't read my very brief comment before responding to it, in which I talk about massive amounts of consumer surplus being created)
- mgh2 5y ago
  It has always been about money, don't fall for their marketing https://m-g-h.medium.com/why-we-are-dispensable-7a577eba4f3e https://m-g-h.medium.com/why-we-are-dispensable-7a577eba4f3e
threatofrain 5y ago
Companies can have different values in a statistical sense, but I’m not sure that accepting money from Google is a user hostile move; the alternative big search provider would be Bing. People here talk about DDG but the search quality has never been there for me.
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ksec 5y ago
>All these companies care about is money. That is not the problem, at least as far as I am concern. They have no problem with making money. We dont live in a communistic world. I have a problem with them pointing their fingers and using media to start a cultural war against others, claims to have moral high ground with their PR spin all while sucking up as much money as possible against their own so called values. This is exactly the same as Google in early 00s. The we dont do evil and self claim righteousness. Or Hypocrite. So dont cry foul when all the other companies are working together against you.
2OEH8eoCRo0 5y ago
Why do they turn down government/defense contracts then? It's more complicated than that and humans aren't always logical anyway.

eplanit 5y ago

Yes, and that "squares with its values". Thinking that Apple (FAANG) have "values" other than that are falling for the marketers illusion.

politelemon 5y ago
I think you've got a succinct explanation for what's been happening over the past few weeks. This illusion has been sustaining a brand loyalty for several years while getting away with privacy contradicting moves, and always being defended by its loyalists. I say loyalists instead of customers to make a distinction. What's happening now is the moves are becoming increasingly egregious, and what we're seeing is a slight awakening to the reality of the situation, that the 'stance' had been nothing more than a grab for user control (in turn to sustain profits) At this point it's either abandon ship, or make petitions and opinion pieces such as TFA.
ramesh31 5y ago
>Thinking that Apple (FAANG) have "values" other than that are falling for the marketers illusion. Apple was different, and it all stemmed from Jobs. The tech world lost a lot more than just innovative products when he passed. Cook has done an incredible job at getting Apple to where they are as a company, but they've truly lost their way in the meantime.
- wutbrodo 5y ago
  Funny, I have roughly the exact opposite view of Jobs. To me, he was a groundbreaking figure in creating massive amounts of consumer surplus while having extremely anti-user values.
  - oliv__ 5y ago
    If he had "extremely anti-user values" don't ya think there might be less..ahem... users of Apple products? Have you considered the possibility that your opinion is that of a minority.
    - wutbrodo 5y ago
      It's quite an extraordinary market-dogmatist view of the world to claim that putting the user's interests first is the sole and exclusive input to the success of a business. In fact, I'd daresay the opinion you've expressed is "that of a minority". (All of this is leaving aside the fact that you apparently didn't read my very brief comment before responding to it, in which I talk about massive amounts of consumer surplus being created)
mgh2 5y ago
It has always been about money, don't fall for their marketing https://m-g-h.medium.com/why-we-are-dispensable-7a577eba4f3e https://m-g-h.medium.com/why-we-are-dispensable-7a577eba4f3e

threatofrain 5y ago

Companies can have different values in a statistical sense, but I’m not sure that accepting money from Google is a user hostile move; the alternative big search provider would be Bing. People here talk about DDG but the search quality has never been there for me.

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ksec 5y ago

>All these companies care about is money. That is not the problem, at least as far as I am concern. They have no problem with making money. We dont live in a communistic world. I have a problem with them pointing their fingers and using media to start a cultural war against others, claims to have moral high ground with their PR spin all while sucking up as much money as possible against their own so called values. This is exactly the same as Google in early 00s. The we dont do evil and self claim righteousness. Or Hypocrite. So dont cry foul when all the other companies are working together against you.

2OEH8eoCRo0 5y ago

Why do they turn down government/defense contracts then? It's more complicated than that and humans aren't always logical anyway.