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Yes and several members of professional sports leagues like the NBA/NFL are also very rich too. While it is possible to become very rich working for someone els

by zffr 5y ago

Yes and several members of professional sports leagues like the NBA/NFL are also very rich too. While it is possible to become very rich working for someone else, I think the author's point is that it is extremely unlikely.

hn_throwaway_99 5y ago
As others have pointed out, though, while I used an extreme example, you can take your average, middle-of-the-road yet high-quality software engineer, and if they make the right decisions (select jobs that pay well, live well below their means, invest with a standard diversified portfolio), they could easily retire in their 40s. I'm not saying this route is available to everyone, but certainly available to plenty of folks to not be considered a rare outlier.
- ghaff 5y ago
  >easily retire in their 40s That's a stretch. An average of $150K/year before taxes throughout 20s and 30s is a pretty good job in the US. Say they save $50K/year--which is a lot on that salary--that's $1million saved overall which, depending on your assumptions, will give you about median US household income annually. So possible in a sense if retiring as soon as possible is your goal but certainly not to everyone's tastes.
  - jmstriegel 5y ago
    I think this doesn't account for investment returns. If you assume this money is invested for the duration of your 20s and 30s, you "only" need to invest $50k/yr for the first 10 years. At an average 7% growth, you can let it ride for a decade and still have just under 1.3mm by age 40. In your example, a high salary individual contributing $50k/yr for 20 years at 7% ends up with over $2mm by age 40. That's $80k/yr at a %4 withdrawal rate for the rest of your life. More reasonably, a $25k/yr contribution for 20 years at %7, would pass $1mm by 40. If you let that sit for the next decade and retire just before you turn 50, that will roughly double over the decade to $2mm. I agree that this isn't attainable for everyone, but contributing the $19.5k/yr max to a 401k pre-tax, and $5.5k/yr into a Roth IRA over your 20s and 30s, will likely make you a millionaire by 40 and a 2-millionaire by 50.
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by zffr 5y ago

hn_throwaway_99 5y ago

As others have pointed out, though, while I used an extreme example, you can take your average, middle-of-the-road yet high-quality software engineer, and if they make the right decisions (select jobs that pay well, live well below their means, invest with a standard diversified portfolio), they could easily retire in their 40s. I'm not saying this route is available to everyone, but certainly available to plenty of folks to not be considered a rare outlier.

ghaff 5y ago
>easily retire in their 40s That's a stretch. An average of $150K/year before taxes throughout 20s and 30s is a pretty good job in the US. Say they save $50K/year--which is a lot on that salary--that's $1million saved overall which, depending on your assumptions, will give you about median US household income annually. So possible in a sense if retiring as soon as possible is your goal but certainly not to everyone's tastes.
- jmstriegel 5y ago
  I think this doesn't account for investment returns. If you assume this money is invested for the duration of your 20s and 30s, you "only" need to invest $50k/yr for the first 10 years. At an average 7% growth, you can let it ride for a decade and still have just under 1.3mm by age 40. In your example, a high salary individual contributing $50k/yr for 20 years at 7% ends up with over $2mm by age 40. That's $80k/yr at a %4 withdrawal rate for the rest of your life. More reasonably, a $25k/yr contribution for 20 years at %7, would pass $1mm by 40. If you let that sit for the next decade and retire just before you turn 50, that will roughly double over the decade to $2mm. I agree that this isn't attainable for everyone, but contributing the $19.5k/yr max to a 401k pre-tax, and $5.5k/yr into a Roth IRA over your 20s and 30s, will likely make you a millionaire by 40 and a 2-millionaire by 50.
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