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No offense, but this sounds like a bad advert for quackery. Any research or studies you've looked at to back up the claims?

foxhop 5y ago
I hear you, other than the fact that I have nothing to gain from sharing, I'm not sure how else to prove it, I mean I have a google spreadsheet I could maybe share. Grab the ingredient list and search each up in relation to blood pressure reduction and kidney/adrenal healing.
- wobblyasp 5y ago
  All good! I've got diet induced hypertension that I've slowly widled down to almost respectable numbers (125/73) though diet but the last few pips are hard. Always looking for something to help
  - foxhop 5y ago
    Your respectable numbers are my "good" numbers. If you consistently get that for readings I wouldn't worry too much. That's a great reading in my book. For what it's worth I decided these pills where my last ditch effort before going on a beta blocker. My readings where touching 158/104 at 11am daily. Now I'm in your range on every reading regardless of time or day. Congrats on your progress mate!
    - wobblyasp 5y ago
      Appreciate it! Sounds like you've made some massive progress yourself. I've got a family history of shitty hearts. My father basically did everything right (vegan, cardiovascular numbers like an Olympic athlete) and still suffered a minor stroke. Kicked my ass into gear, but had the negative affect of making me hyper-paranoid about all things heart. All the best on your journey to health
  - willmadden 5y ago
    Try olive leaf extract. Toniq with 50% Oleuropein is the way to go. It’s as effective as pharmaceuticals for me without the side effects. One pill in the morning is enough for me. Half a pill in the morning and another half at night would likely be better. Your results may vary, but most people clock a 10-20 point drop.
spython 5y ago
Could be a psychosomatic effect instead of quackery. As blood pressure and psychological stress are often correlated.
- foxhop 5y ago
  While a know that stress can alter readings (white coat syndrome) I can assure you im not under stress at this point in my life. The pill really works for me otherwise I would have not shared. It's the only change I've made.
- manmal 5y ago
  Well-executed studies usually do control for placebo effect. If you find such studies, then that's a clue there might be something to it.
  - spython 5y ago
    I was arguing more in the sense that sometimes the placebo effect is all you need. Especially if there is no underlying physical condition but a case of psychological stress. If it's alleviated well by a placebo (or meditation, or other technique), then using something that has a biologically active ingredient might be counterproductive, because of the possibility of adverse side effects. As the side effects are then again medicated, the person is caught in a medication loop. I'm all for studies and finding the right active molecule for treating the illnesses. But from my anecdotal experience, many cases of the common ailments like back pain[1], stomach problems, blood pressure are either psychogenic or stem from conditions of one's life. If a placebo brings enough amelioration, it should not be considered 'quackery'. [1] see Dr. Sarno's 'Healing back pain': https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTXjsexiDKE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTXjsexiDKE
    - foxhop 5y ago
      In this case it isn't placebo, I take two pills once per day in the morning. If I back it off to 1 pill my pressure readings increase accordingly after a few days. Something or a combination of things in this pill is helping my levels stay in acceptable bounds.
manmal 5y ago
Entering "{NAME OF COMPOUND} blood pressure pubmed" or "{NAME OF COMPOUND} blood pressure hindawi" into your favorite search engine usually yields some quick results. I did that for some of the herbs in that formula, and found some interesting papers for each one.

foxhop 5y ago

I hear you, other than the fact that I have nothing to gain from sharing, I'm not sure how else to prove it, I mean I have a google spreadsheet I could maybe share. Grab the ingredient list and search each up in relation to blood pressure reduction and kidney/adrenal healing.

wobblyasp 5y ago
All good! I've got diet induced hypertension that I've slowly widled down to almost respectable numbers (125/73) though diet but the last few pips are hard. Always looking for something to help
- foxhop 5y ago
  Your respectable numbers are my "good" numbers. If you consistently get that for readings I wouldn't worry too much. That's a great reading in my book. For what it's worth I decided these pills where my last ditch effort before going on a beta blocker. My readings where touching 158/104 at 11am daily. Now I'm in your range on every reading regardless of time or day. Congrats on your progress mate!
  - wobblyasp 5y ago
    Appreciate it! Sounds like you've made some massive progress yourself. I've got a family history of shitty hearts. My father basically did everything right (vegan, cardiovascular numbers like an Olympic athlete) and still suffered a minor stroke. Kicked my ass into gear, but had the negative affect of making me hyper-paranoid about all things heart. All the best on your journey to health
- willmadden 5y ago
  Try olive leaf extract. Toniq with 50% Oleuropein is the way to go. It’s as effective as pharmaceuticals for me without the side effects. One pill in the morning is enough for me. Half a pill in the morning and another half at night would likely be better. Your results may vary, but most people clock a 10-20 point drop.

spython 5y ago

Could be a psychosomatic effect instead of quackery. As blood pressure and psychological stress are often correlated.

foxhop 5y ago
While a know that stress can alter readings (white coat syndrome) I can assure you im not under stress at this point in my life. The pill really works for me otherwise I would have not shared. It's the only change I've made.
manmal 5y ago
Well-executed studies usually do control for placebo effect. If you find such studies, then that's a clue there might be something to it.
- spython 5y ago
  I was arguing more in the sense that sometimes the placebo effect is all you need. Especially if there is no underlying physical condition but a case of psychological stress. If it's alleviated well by a placebo (or meditation, or other technique), then using something that has a biologically active ingredient might be counterproductive, because of the possibility of adverse side effects. As the side effects are then again medicated, the person is caught in a medication loop. I'm all for studies and finding the right active molecule for treating the illnesses. But from my anecdotal experience, many cases of the common ailments like back pain[1], stomach problems, blood pressure are either psychogenic or stem from conditions of one's life. If a placebo brings enough amelioration, it should not be considered 'quackery'. [1] see Dr. Sarno's 'Healing back pain': https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTXjsexiDKE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTXjsexiDKE
  - foxhop 5y ago
    In this case it isn't placebo, I take two pills once per day in the morning. If I back it off to 1 pill my pressure readings increase accordingly after a few days. Something or a combination of things in this pill is helping my levels stay in acceptable bounds.

manmal 5y ago

Entering "{NAME OF COMPOUND} blood pressure pubmed" or "{NAME OF COMPOUND} blood pressure hindawi" into your favorite search engine usually yields some quick results. I did that for some of the herbs in that formula, and found some interesting papers for each one.