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I have high blood pressure, I watch my salt intake and I'm certain it is genetic since I eat well and im not overweight. My father and all my brothers have hig

by foxhop 5y ago

I have high blood pressure, I watch my salt intake and I'm certain it is genetic since I eat well and im not overweight. My father and all my brothers have high blood pressure as well. Each take different meds with varying results. I'm taking a food supplement, primary herb is motherwart and I've gotten my numbers back to normal. I've been having my blood pressure steadily rise since being a teenager but now I have a food pill that keeps my numbers proper! It sounds too good to be true and yet it's not. I've had the levels in normal range for the last 6 months! This is the specific product I've been using: https://www.restorativeformulations.com/products/rf-cardiovascular-support/htn-180-px-extra-strength/ https://www.restorativeformulations.com/products/rf-cardiova... The other suggested food pill is magnesium, which puts me to sleep similar to Benedryl. I take 30 minutes before bed when I remember. I work with a Natropathic Dr and have brought this up with my general practitioner who is too busy and over worked to follow up much on this. I have a machine to take my reading so, same machine, same body position, same location, same times. I take my reading randomly lately expecting to get a bad reading and yet it's still normal. I understand how this makes me look to share my story,like I'm peddling a pill, I'm willing to risk my reputation if it means helping anothers, and just sharing what has worked for me. I'm 36 years of age. I grow food but the ingredients in this pill are grown all over the world (there are 5 active ingredients): Motherwort herb 290mg | Hawthorn leaf & flower 300mg | Passion flower herb 200mg | European Mistletoe leaf 100mg | African Snake Root 24mg I plan to try to grow some of these plants and potentially try to narrow down if one herb is most responsible than others for my stabilization. It would be cheaper to grow my own herbs if possible. It took about 3 weeks to see a downward trend. I quit coffee two years before starting this pill.

wobblyasp 5y ago
No offense, but this sounds like a bad advert for quackery. Any research or studies you've looked at to back up the claims?
- foxhop 5y ago
  I hear you, other than the fact that I have nothing to gain from sharing, I'm not sure how else to prove it, I mean I have a google spreadsheet I could maybe share. Grab the ingredient list and search each up in relation to blood pressure reduction and kidney/adrenal healing.
  - wobblyasp 5y ago
    All good! I've got diet induced hypertension that I've slowly widled down to almost respectable numbers (125/73) though diet but the last few pips are hard. Always looking for something to help
    - foxhop 5y ago
      Your respectable numbers are my "good" numbers. If you consistently get that for readings I wouldn't worry too much. That's a great reading in my book. For what it's worth I decided these pills where my last ditch effort before going on a beta blocker. My readings where touching 158/104 at 11am daily. Now I'm in your range on every reading regardless of time or day. Congrats on your progress mate!
      - wobblyasp 5y ago
        Appreciate it! Sounds like you've made some massive progress yourself. I've got a family history of shitty hearts. My father basically did everything right (vegan, cardiovascular numbers like an Olympic athlete) and still suffered a minor stroke. Kicked my ass into gear, but had the negative affect of making me hyper-paranoid about all things heart. All the best on your journey to health
    - willmadden 5y ago
      Try olive leaf extract. Toniq with 50% Oleuropein is the way to go. It’s as effective as pharmaceuticals for me without the side effects. One pill in the morning is enough for me. Half a pill in the morning and another half at night would likely be better. Your results may vary, but most people clock a 10-20 point drop.
- spython 5y ago
  Could be a psychosomatic effect instead of quackery. As blood pressure and psychological stress are often correlated.
  - foxhop 5y ago
    While a know that stress can alter readings (white coat syndrome) I can assure you im not under stress at this point in my life. The pill really works for me otherwise I would have not shared. It's the only change I've made.
  - manmal 5y ago
    Well-executed studies usually do control for placebo effect. If you find such studies, then that's a clue there might be something to it.
    - spython 5y ago
      I was arguing more in the sense that sometimes the placebo effect is all you need. Especially if there is no underlying physical condition but a case of psychological stress. If it's alleviated well by a placebo (or meditation, or other technique), then using something that has a biologically active ingredient might be counterproductive, because of the possibility of adverse side effects. As the side effects are then again medicated, the person is caught in a medication loop. I'm all for studies and finding the right active molecule for treating the illnesses. But from my anecdotal experience, many cases of the common ailments like back pain[1], stomach problems, blood pressure are either psychogenic or stem from conditions of one's life. If a placebo brings enough amelioration, it should not be considered 'quackery'. [1] see Dr. Sarno's 'Healing back pain': https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTXjsexiDKE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTXjsexiDKE
      - foxhop 5y ago
        In this case it isn't placebo, I take two pills once per day in the morning. If I back it off to 1 pill my pressure readings increase accordingly after a few days. Something or a combination of things in this pill is helping my levels stay in acceptable bounds.
- manmal 5y ago
  Entering "{NAME OF COMPOUND} blood pressure pubmed" or "{NAME OF COMPOUND} blood pressure hindawi" into your favorite search engine usually yields some quick results. I did that for some of the herbs in that formula, and found some interesting papers for each one.
bserge 5y ago
You're seriously overlooking the magnesium here. Could be that's what's working. But I can't comment on the other stuff, it could be effective, I never heard of it.

by foxhop 5y ago

wobblyasp 5y ago

No offense, but this sounds like a bad advert for quackery. Any research or studies you've looked at to back up the claims?

foxhop 5y ago
I hear you, other than the fact that I have nothing to gain from sharing, I'm not sure how else to prove it, I mean I have a google spreadsheet I could maybe share. Grab the ingredient list and search each up in relation to blood pressure reduction and kidney/adrenal healing.
- wobblyasp 5y ago
  All good! I've got diet induced hypertension that I've slowly widled down to almost respectable numbers (125/73) though diet but the last few pips are hard. Always looking for something to help
  - foxhop 5y ago
    Your respectable numbers are my "good" numbers. If you consistently get that for readings I wouldn't worry too much. That's a great reading in my book. For what it's worth I decided these pills where my last ditch effort before going on a beta blocker. My readings where touching 158/104 at 11am daily. Now I'm in your range on every reading regardless of time or day. Congrats on your progress mate!
    - wobblyasp 5y ago
      Appreciate it! Sounds like you've made some massive progress yourself. I've got a family history of shitty hearts. My father basically did everything right (vegan, cardiovascular numbers like an Olympic athlete) and still suffered a minor stroke. Kicked my ass into gear, but had the negative affect of making me hyper-paranoid about all things heart. All the best on your journey to health
  - willmadden 5y ago
    Try olive leaf extract. Toniq with 50% Oleuropein is the way to go. It’s as effective as pharmaceuticals for me without the side effects. One pill in the morning is enough for me. Half a pill in the morning and another half at night would likely be better. Your results may vary, but most people clock a 10-20 point drop.
spython 5y ago
Could be a psychosomatic effect instead of quackery. As blood pressure and psychological stress are often correlated.
- foxhop 5y ago
  While a know that stress can alter readings (white coat syndrome) I can assure you im not under stress at this point in my life. The pill really works for me otherwise I would have not shared. It's the only change I've made.
- manmal 5y ago
  Well-executed studies usually do control for placebo effect. If you find such studies, then that's a clue there might be something to it.
  - spython 5y ago
    I was arguing more in the sense that sometimes the placebo effect is all you need. Especially if there is no underlying physical condition but a case of psychological stress. If it's alleviated well by a placebo (or meditation, or other technique), then using something that has a biologically active ingredient might be counterproductive, because of the possibility of adverse side effects. As the side effects are then again medicated, the person is caught in a medication loop. I'm all for studies and finding the right active molecule for treating the illnesses. But from my anecdotal experience, many cases of the common ailments like back pain[1], stomach problems, blood pressure are either psychogenic or stem from conditions of one's life. If a placebo brings enough amelioration, it should not be considered 'quackery'. [1] see Dr. Sarno's 'Healing back pain': https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTXjsexiDKE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTXjsexiDKE
    - foxhop 5y ago
      In this case it isn't placebo, I take two pills once per day in the morning. If I back it off to 1 pill my pressure readings increase accordingly after a few days. Something or a combination of things in this pill is helping my levels stay in acceptable bounds.
manmal 5y ago
Entering "{NAME OF COMPOUND} blood pressure pubmed" or "{NAME OF COMPOUND} blood pressure hindawi" into your favorite search engine usually yields some quick results. I did that for some of the herbs in that formula, and found some interesting papers for each one.

bserge 5y ago

You're seriously overlooking the magnesium here. Could be that's what's working. But I can't comment on the other stuff, it could be effective, I never heard of it.