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Too slow for what? Which roads? Which type of roads? Whatever we do to make things safer we eventually have to decide how much more effort we should put in a

Too slow for what? Which roads? Which type of roads? Whatever we do to make things safer we eventually have to decide how much more effort we should put in and what we might have to give up in order to achieve the next increment of improvement. There must be a cost benefit analysis that includes people's opinions about the status quo as well as any desired change.

SiempreViernes 5y ago
Unsurprisingly, it's "too slow to meet a target": > However, progress has slowed in most countries. As a result, the EU target of halving the number of road deaths between 2010 and the end of 2020 will not be met.
chrisseaton 5y ago
> Too slow for what? The article explains they're trying to reach zero by 2050 (I don't know if that sounds crazy to someone somewhere like the US, but I think some European locations are actually not far off this). But currently progress is too slow for achieving this goal. I think one unexpected problem has been that the UK, which has phenomenally good road safety compared to most of the EU, has left, meaning that the statistics now look worse.
- bserge 5y ago
  Zero? So they either plan on removing cars completely or are delusional.
  - chrisseaton 5y ago
    For example Oslo is one place that already cut road deaths (including cyclists and pedestrians) to literally zero by 2019. There were also literally zero child road deaths across the whole of Norway. I'm not sure it's unachievable. (The bigger goal is deaths and serious injuries.)
    - bserge 5y ago
      Well, it only takes one psycho to push a cyclist/pedestrian onto the road or under a train, like it happens surprisingly often in Germany and elsewhere. But I guess that's not reported as a road death. Zero is impossible.
      - chrisseaton 5y ago
        Was possible in Oslo and Helsinki. And yes railway deaths not reported as road deaths. You've got them there!

SiempreViernes 5y ago

Unsurprisingly, it's "too slow to meet a target": > However, progress has slowed in most countries. As a result, the EU target of halving the number of road deaths between 2010 and the end of 2020 will not be met.

chrisseaton 5y ago

> Too slow for what? The article explains they're trying to reach zero by 2050 (I don't know if that sounds crazy to someone somewhere like the US, but I think some European locations are actually not far off this). But currently progress is too slow for achieving this goal. I think one unexpected problem has been that the UK, which has phenomenally good road safety compared to most of the EU, has left, meaning that the statistics now look worse.

bserge 5y ago
Zero? So they either plan on removing cars completely or are delusional.
- chrisseaton 5y ago
  For example Oslo is one place that already cut road deaths (including cyclists and pedestrians) to literally zero by 2019. There were also literally zero child road deaths across the whole of Norway. I'm not sure it's unachievable. (The bigger goal is deaths and serious injuries.)
  - bserge 5y ago
    Well, it only takes one psycho to push a cyclist/pedestrian onto the road or under a train, like it happens surprisingly often in Germany and elsewhere. But I guess that's not reported as a road death. Zero is impossible.
    - chrisseaton 5y ago
      Was possible in Oslo and Helsinki. And yes railway deaths not reported as road deaths. You've got them there!